Urine testing?

[03cavPA]

What if it's the office workers who are using the drugs? The toilets will never be clean.

Wait .... I LIKE your idea. It willl save millions in welfare benefits.

[Knifeblade]

Originally Posted by Oz

Here's a novel idea for you - test the toilets at the welfare office for drugs. If any are found, deny everyone's welfare until it tests clean. Use peer pressure to make them turn against the drug users.


Have any of you ever seen the results of a US government test where they tested the sewage of an entire city for drug use? Some VERY interesting results.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20380094/
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/14121/1066/

Now THAT'S a cool idea above

[fredjacksonsan]

Big brother in the sewers!?? Nice. That goes too far, IMO.

[ericn1300]

Originally Posted by Oz

Here's a novel idea for you - test the toilets at the welfare office for drugs. If any are found, deny everyone's welfare until it tests clean. Use peer pressure to make them turn against the drug users.

And whould that standard apply to all jobs that require random drug testing? Just stop testing individuals and test the toilet and fire them all if it comes up positive? Wouldn't have a player left in the NFL if we did that.

[gw84]

Originally Posted by Oz

So, you would support millions and millions of dollars of your tax payer money being spent on collecting, testing and processing the urine of welfare recipients?

Think about the resources it would take to implement what you're proposing.

Where is this money going to come from, if not from the initial welfare budget? Depriving individuals of the welfare money that the system was created for in the first place.

I wanna know whos getting the "big bucks" to take and test someone's piss. I bust my ass at work for just above minimum wage. Are there people being paid much more to work with piss??!!?? Basically what I'm saying is that I would gladly accept a pay raise to collect and analyze urine!!! Hell I'll do it for $1/hr. less than what the current people do that job for!! Someone on the inside...call me!! The job would probably require a degree...but how hard could it possibly be. "here, piss in this and give it back to me after you put the lid on". I'll insert a piece of paper, if it comes out blue, you're fired!! lol.

Seriously, I agree totally with the idea. Actually I believe that a lot of places are going towards using hair samples rather than urine. I heard that some places give the tests away for free...i dunno

[TexasF355F1]

The welfare system is extremely corrupt and mis-run.

The purpose of welfare in the beginning was to help people get back on their feet. Working in the real estate field, I look at various types of homes getting foreclosed on everyday.

It amazes me the number or people who have satellite dishes/cable boxes in their homes that you know are obvious welfare recipients. Go to the store, are they buying essential items? No, they're buying $15 steaks and beer.

It's just like Katrina victims, still to this day there are those people sitting in front of their houses saying they "can't" find jobs. They get interviewed by the news drinking their 40oz. and say they can't work because they have "injuries" the prevent them from doing so. They walk, fine, talk fine (to an extent), and can stand and sit. Where's the problem?

The welfare system is something that needs to be reorganized or just flat out cut out. It's ridiculous to continue to give free money to lazy people.

They ruin it for the ones who are hard working and using the money for honest intentions.

[Oz]

How can you effectively determine the needy from the lazy? I don't support giving money to lazy people, but I think it says a lot for any society when the help out the truly needy. I pay taxes and accept them as part of life and death, why can't they go to a good cause instead of bottomless Government coffers. Do you think if they eliminated the welfare system you will get a tax break? Hah!

[BNaylor]

Tax break? Yeah, don't hold your breath.

To put things in perspective as far in the U.S. the welfare programs are not really designed for lazy, deadbeat or drug-using parents but for the children. For example in Texas the food stamp program is based on the needs of the children to make sure they get adequate food and nourishment. But there will always be abuse of the system and the children wind up suffering. And no you cannot buy beer with food stamps.

The reformed screening processes implemented by most states can actually weed out the true needy versus lazy people. State Departments of Human Services have full access to prior employment records to include state and federal income tax returns. Another example is in Texas the parent(s) must go out on a work search and secure suitable employment or make a good faith effort or the welfare being received will be terminated.

As a side note IMO the social workers are adequately trained to detect the patterns of a drug abuser/user who applies for welfare or is on welfare since a reapplication has to be made periodically. That is where the reasonable suspicion or probable cause aspect will come into play and the applicant will have to take the drug test or face criminal charges for lying on the welfare application. I believe there is a question on these applications that ask are you on or have you ever used illegal drugs.