Stem Cells

[MonsterBengt]

Without reading any posts, im for it.

[xeroinfinity]

Hate to rise this old thread,
but the reason our government doesnt like the idea of fixing all these illnesses/deseases is they make money from them.
If anyone can just go get thier bodies repaired at any time then thier would not be as much of a need for health care.
Hospitals make a killing when someone needs an organ(s), the organs 99% of the time were taken for free then you are charged 1million for a set of lungs, and another 1/2 mill to install them, not to mention the taxes on all that work.

What Our Gorv isnt seening here is the opertunity to be the first to make these stem cells work. Stem cells can be taken from adults too, they are the less favorable(pleuripotent ) but do and can work just as the totipotent ones do.

After years of testing, they surly can fix body parts without even growing the organ. Just adapt the cells to be a kidney, then they inject them into your bad organ and the cells repair that part.

And I thought to be called an abortion it had to be more than 4 days old

Then you do hav all these old religous groups who think were going to be cloning whole people(like in the movie The Island) for spare parts.
Thats just ignorant !
Why clone an intire person when they only need a kidney or liver, or a spinal cord repaired...

But yet our government we'll spend 100 trillion running down the dream of "World SuperPower".
While pissing even more money away on things that dont exsist such as Area 51

This is all biology folks, and it is essential for our exsistance, more and more every day.

So YA I'm all for it !!!

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

Hate to rise this old thread,
but the reason our government doesnt like the idea of fixing all these illnesses/deseases is they make money from them.
If anyone can just go get thier bodies repaired at any time then thier would not be as much of a need for health care.
Hospitals make a killing when someone needs an organ(s), the organs 99% of the time were taken for free then you are charged 1million for a set of lungs, and another 1/2 mill to install them, not to mention the taxes on all that work.

I've worked in a hospital for about 4 years, and I can tell you that hospitals don't make SHIT off of transplants. Our hospital is consistently ranked in the top 50 hospitals in the country, and are in the top 25 in about 10 disciplines. We are constantly fighting debt and have to deal with layoffs every year. So no, any non-profit hospital does not stand to PROFIT from transplants and medical procedures.

What I think it really comes down to is religious beliefs and ignorance. Your average American couldn't even come close to explaining how stem cells work. In fact, I highly doubt the president could, either. And since most people in this country are religious and many believe that an inviable clump of cells coming from a sperm and an egg are the same as a full grown human being, well then stem cell research is morally wrong.

[xeroinfinity]

Originally Posted by thrasher

I've worked in a hospital for about 4 years, and I can tell you that hospitals don't make SHIT off of transplants. Our hospital is consistently ranked in the top 50 hospitals in the country, and are in the top 25 in about 10 disciplines. We are constantly fighting debt and have to deal with layoffs every year. So no, any non-profit hospital does not stand to PROFIT from transplants and medical procedures.

Ok so maybe your Hospital isnt making shit, but someones raking it in ! You hospital do transplant work?

My aunt had a lung transplant in Indy 6-7years ago.
The lungs were 1million dollars, and the hospital DR that done the transplant, his bill was 1million also.

So maybe the company that harvests the organs must make the $$$

I'm all for it !
Can I borrow a couple of your stem cells ?

[beef_bourito]

I don't think your gov't should cut off funding to stem cell research but if it's against abortion i can see why they would cut off funding to stem cell research on embryos/fetuses. You can get stem cells from a large variety of places. my sisters husband did a paper on the ability to get stem cells from teeth (he's a dentist). I don't know what kind they are but there are also many other places to get them.

[xeroinfinity]

Our govts screwy !
They dont like/aprove of abortion, but I bet RU486 was developed with government grants.

I think we will find other ways of getting stem cells.
IN the next few years I bet alot more information will come out on the hows and whens and who's willing to try first, Not me
Thats what I dont understand, they do gene threapy, wouldnt that be considered just as immoral as any other research. :

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

Ok so maybe your Hospital isnt making shit, but someones raking it in ! You hospital do transplant work?

Yeah, we do a ton of transplant work. The thing is, you can't even imgaine how expensive it actually is to perform something like a lung transplant, and then care for that patient for months afterward, do rehab, prevent infection/rejection. Hospital bills really are astronomical, and it's very difficult to provide good care and keep expenses low, which is why so many hospitals constantly have deficits.

Originally Posted by beefburrito

I don't think your gov't should cut off funding to stem cell research but if it's against abortion i can see why they would cut off funding to stem cell research on embryos/fetuses. You can get stem cells from a large variety of places. my sisters husband did a paper on the ability to get stem cells from teeth (he's a dentist). I don't know what kind they are but there are also many other places to get them.

That's the thing, our government DOES endorse abortion, it's been legal in the States since '73. It's the dumbass religious conservatives in executive leadership (*cough* BUSH *cough*) that prevent stem cell research from expanding.

Originally Posted by xeroinfinity

I think we will find other ways of getting stem cells.
IN the next few years I bet alot more information will come out on the hows and whens and who's willing to try first, Not me

I'm not worried, other countries with very good research capabilites are pursuing stem cell research, so the R&D is happening, just not in the states. Is it ridiculous that we're not pursing stem cell research? Of course. But that's what happens when you mix religion and politics.

[xeroinfinity]

True thier !

True thier !

[Rbraczyk]

I'm not sure if its been said, but a massachusetts medical research group was able to produce stem cells without destroying fetii. they essentially isolate a stem cell from the embryo and let it duplicate itself, and therefore create stem cells without harming the original embryo. I hope it fixes this foolish problem.

[jyot soni]

If I can remember correctly, in one of his speeches, Bush said that he is against the stem cell research because it requires killing of a unborn human being { correct me if I am wrong} however he is willing to start a war in Iraq that has taken life of over 2500 US soldiers that are living human beings.
If I remember correctly he was asking congress for $ 40 billion for war in Iraq but he is not willing spend a single peeny for the good cause that might save thousands of lives each year. This is by far the dumbest decesion made by our jacka$$ president.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Yeah, we do a ton of transplant work. The thing is, you can't even imgaine how expensive it actually is to perform something like a lung transplant, and then care for that patient for months afterward, do rehab, prevent infection/rejection. Hospital bills really are astronomical, and it's very difficult to provide good care and keep expenses low, which is why so many hospitals constantly have deficits.

Boy, that's the truth. We don't do any transplant work, but we do a boatload of cardiac bypass surgeries.

Just one CABG gone bad, spends weeks on a vent, all kinds of expensive supportive modalities, etc. I can tell ya, NOBODY makes any money off that.

Wonder how popular all of this technology would be if people actually had to pay every cent out of their own pockets?

Hey, you guys in Europe, how many 80 year olds get dialysis, CABGs, and transplants?