thoughts on KIA??

[drunken monkey]

way to avoid answering simple and direct questions.

Originally Posted by twospirits

Misleading facts. yes the thread did get sidetracked, and should have been put back on course, but it has become much bigger than just asking a simple question. We as Automobile Enthusiasts cannot allow anyone giving misleading statements

in case you missed it, you have been giving misleading statements.

[stamar]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Give up!
Blaming the forum software for your own incompetance does not help you.

You are not the great wealth of Automotive knowledge you thought you were, nor are you more intelligent or somehow smarter than anyone else here.
Your "facts" have been refuted and your opinion has been noted, but its reasoning rejected.

And this is not the first thread its happened in.

Give up or you just make yourself look like even more of a fool than you already do.

hey thanks for your help moppie.

Sunday is study day for me. So Im in the library on a public computer.

Security settings of this hub software are not compatible with the security settings at the libraries computer. Im sure youve heard about it before because I have and I dont lurk here as often as you do.

Seeing as I have no access to either security setting I cant post from the library computer without using a word processor.

And the only reason this matters is because I had planned to quote books in the library for that post and lost a lot of time with a disapearing post.

[stamar]

http://www.amazon.com/Honda-Story-Ra...e=UTF8&s=books


I went to borders bookstore and reread the begining of this book today.

Earlier I refered to the history of honda being easy to find in bookstores. Its not. The story of honda is. I had confused the two books in my memory I read both of them.

This book deals with all the models of motorcycles honda made. around 9 pages in the beginning deal with ww2, japan, the biography of the individual Honda etc. Unfortunately it doesnt really catalogue any of the cars they made.

It didnt have any information not available on the wikipedia on honda. But Ill write some of it down particularly because I just read it.

Before ww2 the individual Honda owned a company called takei heavy industries.

It made piston rings. Toyota owned 40% of the company. Or you could say toyota owned the company eventually but not orignally.

In 1947 the individual Honda formed honda motors with the other founder who was an engineer.

[alphalanos]

I understand that Kia is trying to make an affordable car, but making it the cheapest way and out of the cheapest materials possible isnt going to get you many customers. I stick to Honda because, even though they are a little expensive, that are that way because of higher quality in manufacturing and parts selection. Not to mention intelligent design of their vehicles and focusing on what is important for a car, which is to transport people in a safe, cost effective way.

[Dyno247365]

How long is this thread gonna go on? I was still in my parents house when this thread started. XD

[VAD0R]

Originally Posted by alphalanos

I understand that Kia is trying to make an affordable car, but making it the cheapest way and out of the cheapest materials possible isnt going to get you many customers. I stick to Honda because, even though they are a little expensive, that are that way because of higher quality in manufacturing and parts selection. Not to mention intelligent design of their vehicles and focusing on what is important for a car, which is to transport people in a safe, cost effective way.

Who is the car maker that is still sticking with using independent suspension and has had side curtain airbags standard for longer? I rest my case.

Being behind the the R&D curb doesn't directly translate to cheap and now under Hyundai's ownership they are catching up quite fast.

[alphalanos]

I used to own a 2001 Rio. I have nothing against the company, but the cars are just incredibly cheap. I also owned a 2002 Daewoo Lanos before they went bankrupt. With a GM built engine it was decent car, but still cheap. And no resale value whatsoever. At least the $14,000 that was paid for my Civic 10 years ago is still somewhat intact.

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by alphalanos

I used to own a 2001 Rio. I have nothing against the company, but the cars are just incredibly cheap. I also owned a 2002 Daewoo Lanos before they went bankrupt. With a GM built engine it was decent car, but still cheap. And no resale value whatsoever. At least the $14,000 that was paid for my Civic 10 years ago is still somewhat intact.

My question is will Kia ever start making better cars? If so, they should be designing something right now instead of finding new ways to save money. Build a race car, that always works for recognition.

[VAD0R]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

My question is will Kia ever start making better cars? If so, they should be designing something right now instead of finding new ways to save money. Build a race car, that always works for recognition.

Well the Spectra5 independent suspension on all four wheels coupled with a front sway bar stock and tightened steering. Its engine however is still enibric compared to the competition at 138hp but it is also a whole lot cheaper which makes a great buy performance as apposed to the Scion xA. However, the new Rio also seems to give other sub-compacts a run for its money. Kia does have aspirations of creating a sports car, however Daewoo once did too.