racing seat harness

[mitsu3kgt]

If anyone installed a harness in their car can you explain how to do it and post pictures. Even if you didn't can someone explain it to me. I just bought a pair of ralliart harnesses and I don't know how to install them.

[Igovert500]

How many points? Most 3 points bolt right into the stock locations. A 4 point isn't safe without a cage. If you do manage to roll it, the 4th point holding you in place is worthless when the roof collapses. There are harness bars on the market that you can install and hten install the 4pt harness to...but they are for looks more than upsidedown safety. And hte 5th point just holds the lower belt in place, preventing if from sliding up, or you from sliding out the bottom.

Basically, unless you are getting a roll cage the 4 or 5 point isn't any more safe. If you want a harness, get a 3point and install it on the stock locations.

[Stealthee]

Originally Posted by Igovert500

How many points? Most 3 points bolt right into the stock locations. A 4 point isn't safe without a cage. If you do manage to roll it, the 4th point holding you in place is worthless when the roof collapses. There are harness bars on the market that you can install and hten install the 4pt harness to...but they are for looks more than upsidedown safety. And hte 5th point just holds the lower belt in place, preventing if from sliding up, or you from sliding out the bottom.

Basically, unless you are getting a roll cage the 4 or 5 point isn't any more safe. If you want a harness, get a 3point and install it on the stock locations.

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Great answer!

[Morphius289]

Roll cages on the street = worthless.

They do make your car stiffer, but if you get hit, all the effort put into making your car crash resistant goes out the window.

[Stealthee]

A caged car is going to be safer in an accident than a non caged car.

[Morphius289]

I read in SCC that the impact is 10 times worse when you have a cage.

[Stealthee]

Originally Posted by Morphius289

I read in SCC that the impact is 10 times worse when you have a cage.

Hahahahaha, I have pictures of my rolled Bronco II that would prove otherwise.

[Igovert500]

Originally Posted by Morphius289

I read in SCC that the impact is 10 times worse when you have a cage.

Reason #1 why not to believe everything you read in a magazine. I get hit, I sure as hell would rather have a cage maintaining a box around me than hoping the body of the car stays intact.

But in all honesty... I would LLLLOOOOVVVVEEE to hear the reasons backing up that '10x as worse' statement. I can think of situations where a lack of cage may save somebody's life, but I can also think of situations where the fact that some idiot wasn't wearing a seat belt saved his life...doesn't mean it's safer. Just my .02

[2old]

I think I know why they the SCC would say that:

By convinence the best place to put place the roll cage would be to place them right by car's existing structural elements.

This is fine in racing because the hardest impact of the crash is the car into an object (IE: front impact, glancing blows, rollovers). Because most cars are heading in the same direction.

On the street most accidents happen on a intersection. The most difficult of these is the T-Bone. If you get impacted on the side like that the passenger cage tries to resist the deformation (absorb engery) but will still flex. If you put roll cage structural member right beside the passenger cage when it is flexing, the passenger cage will impact the roll cage which creates a stress point for forces to congrigate and the passenger cage will buckle at that point.

At that point the only thing between you can the car coming at you is a few inches of welds on the roll cage...

Of course the way around that is to leave "adequate" space between the roll cage and the passenger cage but that is where things start to get "inconvienent" because cars are "packaged" to make as much use of interior space as possible... Pretty much why most cars with roll cages have gutted interiors (among other things).