Combined Completed/Gallery Subforum

[RallyRaider]

The latest AF modelling development

[DasWiesel]

Sorry, but what do we need an extra motorcycle modeling forum and a motorcycle subforum in the automotive section for?
Do posts automatically appear in both forums?

[mike@af]

Originally Posted by DasWiesel

Sorry, but what do we need an extra motorcycle modeling forum and a motorcycle subforum in the automotive section for?
Do posts automatically appear in both forums?

The subsection under modeling links to the motorcycle forum here. Just try it out and you will understand. Its the same forum regardless.

[willimo]

Originally Posted by RallyRaider

The latest AF modelling development

HA!

[Guido]

Originally Posted by willimo

HA!

a joke indeed...

[Guido]

Originally Posted by twospirits

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Now going back to the issue at large,
1-if anyone is to blame for the changes taking place this past week in the Car modeling section, it is not Rally, it is not Freakray, is is not any of the moderators but me. I saw the request that was posted long ago, and in accordance with AF Policy and the ongoing expansion of AF and its sections, the sections were created. If anyone has a beef to make, make it with me, not the mods.

2-Read what it says in my sig, its been there since day one (actually after day 67 since joining AF), and it still holds true. Member are welcome to ask for things. Once a request is made (usually by the member I might add), it gets debated and if approved, gets place in holding until one of the admins can get to it. Now since the request was made by a member or members, it would be a waste of time to repost that a change is about to be implemented. True, in this case the request was made a year ago as all the other requests throughout AF, but it is now that a admin will take the time to implement these changes. If it is deemed that the newly created subsections do not serve the purpose for which they were created then I would gladly remove them, but to shot it down so quickly without giving it a chance to see if it works out is beyond me.

So for now they stay.

TS

Hmm, in a year AF doesn't grow that much, that the, at the time valid request, may have become unnecessary or maybe wanted, but in an altered or modified way?

Good that they stay, but I won't spend my time digging once a week through a subforum that contains all model categories again. Too bad and certainly a missed chance. Oh well, other and better.

[voyageur]

hi guys,

my initial idea from the other thread (some of you are referring to) was to have a completed section that covers ALL subjects (street, motorsports, etc...) for a simple reason: I DON'T miss out on stunning builds anymore because I DON'T visit all subcategories.

Easy to understand, isn't it?

Having the completed section again split in categories would just make it useless (for me) because I'd again MISS OUT on great builds posted elsewhere.

I'm happy with it the way it is now...I don't need to go to muscle/motorsports/bikes/etc...but still find the completed builds in the completed forum (from where I can go to the WIP thread if I wish, by just clicking on the link)

Thank you again for creating it!

Cheers SEB

[Guido]

Ok, so because I'm open minded enough etc. to test new things also, I had a go this evening in the "Completed" subforum.

Out of the 10 threads I went through (and not all were motorsports ), only one, that's 1, contained an actual link to it's WIP-thread - the Barry Sheen bike. As far as comments are concerned, the number of ah's, oh's, oh so shiny's etc. are uncountable.

So far for a good effort. Not worth my time. Sorry chaps.

[freakmech]

Originally Posted by voyageur

hi guys,

my initial idea from the other thread (some of you are referring to) was to have a completed section that covers ALL subjects (street, motorsports, etc...) for a simple reason: I DON'T miss out on stunning builds anymore because I DON'T visit all subcategories.

Easy to understand, isn't it?

Having the completed section again split in categories would just make it useless (for me) because I'd again MISS OUT on great builds posted elsewhere.

I'm happy with it the way it is now...I don't need to go to muscle/motorsports/bikes/etc...but still find the completed builds in the completed forum (from where I can go to the WIP thread if I wish, by just clicking on the link)

Thank you again for creating it!

Cheers SEB

Im glad your pleased Seb, now for the other 3897 users, can you please put the completed Motorsports back in the Motorsport section?

[MPWR]

Originally Posted by freakmech

Im glad your pleased Seb, now for the other 3897 users, can you please put the completed Motorsports back in the Motorsport section?

Nope, hafta disagree. The sentiment seems to be alot more popular to leave it where it is. There are some strong arguments to keep it combined. I think there has been enough turmoil do to changes lately, and it probably is time to give the new format a change and see how the entire community likes it before tampering with anything else.

Also, it was never said that there would be a direct correlation between in progress threads and completed posts. Some builders will post both with links to each, and some won't. That's how it's always been.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by huudo

Out of the 10 threads I went through (and not all were motorsports ), only one, that's 1, contained an actual link to it's WIP-thread - the Barry Sheen bike.

how is that forums' format's fault?
previously, some members would include a link in their completed threads to the progress thread, some didn't.
i guess this new format would just mean that you should make this simple thing part of the process of posting a completed thread (assuming that there is a progress thread in the first place).

Originally Posted by huudo

As far as comments are concerned, the number of ah's, oh's, oh so shiny's etc. are uncountable.

again, how is this the fault of the forums' format?
i would also have thought that common sense would dictate that most of the photos that the owner of the model wants you to see would be at the start of the thread.
you don't need to read the posts to follow.
personally, i hardly ever read comments when i can see it isn't more than five words.
most of the time, in a COMPLETED thread, I'm more interested in the PHOTOS.

[RallyRaider]

At some stage I plan to put together a guide in the Completed/Gallery section suggesting useful things like links between threads. I haven't the time to do it this week, hopefully next. Of course if somebody else has the time to compose a suitable burst that would be most welcome.

[Guido]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

how is that forums' format's fault?
previously, some members would include a link in their completed threads to the progress thread, some didn't.
i guess this new format would just mean that you should make this simple thing part of the process of posting a completed thread (assuming that there is a progress thread in the first place).


again, how is this the fault of the forums' format?
i would also have thought that common sense would dictate that most of the photos that the owner of the model wants you to see would be at the start of the thread.
you don't need to read the posts to follow.
personally, i hardly ever read comments when i can see it isn't more than five words.
most of the time, in a COMPLETED thread, I'm more interested in the PHOTOS.

where did I say it was the forums format fault?? I was just commenting on voyageurs comment saying "but still find the completed builds in the completed forum (from where I can go to the WIP thread if I wish, by just clicking on the link)"

The implemented changes do give me a bad user experience the way it is now. Phil will need to write guidelines for the use of a new category? Yet another policy you as moderators will have to govern. Some people will do other won't. I prefer to have a more natural flow on forums without having to come with guidelines to make it 'artificially' work.



ps. as a mod, aren't you supposed to verify the content

[drunken monkey]

not my area.

don't take it the wrong way, i wasn't having a go at you, only addressing the simple fact that the format is a relatively dead thing and does not and can not actually be good or bad.

right, so the completed gallery is now a separate (and integrated) forum that is away from the wip forums. And?
before, people would post a wip thread and somewhere down the line, they might post a completed thread with link.
that means you would follow a wip thread until the builder has completed when he would make a completed thread and link to it from the wip thread,
or you'd first see the completed thread with an appropriate link back to the wip thread.

and in this format?
nothing has changed apart from where the threads are placed.

also, due the nature simple fact that more people start a build than finish a build, if you are a member who visits once a week, then chances are that completed thread is bumped off the page already in the old single forum format.

i'm still of the mind that this will only help organising the forums in the grand scheme of things.

is a format needed to amke it "work".
not really.
as it was pointed out before by MPWR, it was something that some members did anyway.
in anycase, is adding ONE link to your thread that difficult a job, much the same as , is clicking one extra link that difficult a job?