loose change

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by v10_viper

I'd like to see anyone prove this video wrong. If you don't believe the video then you're quite ignorant, and like he says in the video, why is the governemtn so scared? Let's see those video's of the pentagon.

Well I believe this is part of the problem. You seem to have taken the video as a package, to be believed fully or doubted fully. I don't think anyone telling the story has everything right.

[beef_bourito]

that's very true, but i think the main thing to get from this movie is that there are alot of questions that have gone unanswered and just keep asking those questions. scrutinise everything that you read. if the government has nothing to hide, then why are they hiding these things?

[vinnym86]

"Think for yourself. Question authority"

[Muscletang]

I'll reply to this thread with the same thing I did with the other.

Interesting and I must say it does raise some questions. I do have some questions though if they're wanting us to buy it all.

(1.) Why isn't there more evidence like a paper trail or a leak in the system? If this is true from all their evidence then two branches of our government were in on this (maybe a third for all we know), the FBI, the CIA, NYC officials who were higher ups, the Air Force, the Army, NORAD, certain FAA officials, demolition crews, Wall Street higher ups, and certain people here and there to help "support" things.

That's a whole lot of people to keep "hush hush" on this whole subject. How do you keep them all quiet and how do you keep the planning of this stuff under the carpet? Yes we heard from fire fighters, police, the media, civilians, and saw several reports. Shouldn't we hear from high up government brass what really happened? Shouldn't there be a paper trail somewhere? If the government pulled this off they didn't do or plan it by word of mouth.

Shouldn't we have heard on 20/20, 60 Minutes, or some other show that "somebody" had come out and said, "the government did 9/11, this way, and that way, and they did it for this, this, and this, and finally I know this because I heard it from this guy, that guy, saw this report and that report, and had access to this, this, and this."? Why aren't people coming forward about this or showing hard evidence?

(2.) Where are the people? If they original passengers got off, where are they? Didn't the video say the total number of people in all the flights were seen on the ground in Cleveland? If a military plane flew into these buildings, what happened to the passengers on the commercial flights? Are they in a hanger somewhere? Were they killed off? Were they put into the military planes and forced to sit there and die? Are they living amoung us under a different I.D.? Were they shipped to another country? Where are they?

(3.) Ok, lets say I believe this 100% with no doubt at all. Why was it done then? If the government did this, it's not all the presidents fault but the government body. If the government did this, our entire government is corrupt, evil, and has some plans for all of this. As I said, the president probably knew, but I promise you there were people in Congress who probably had a nice idea as well. Who knows, maybe a justice or two on the Supreme Court? Not to mention they hinted towards the Mayor's office in NYC.

(A.) Why would our government body do this to the American people?
(B.) Do we have some truely evil people in the White House, Congress, Supreme Court (maybe), Pentagon, city official's offices, and other government organizations? Have the American people elected Hitlers all over the country for the past 15 years?

One last thing I'd like to say.

IF our government did all of this, they're all at fault. You can say it was the liberals for sure, the conservatives did this, only the Republican party would go so low, Democrates are evil and this shows it, but the truth is I'm sure a person from each group was in on it.

[v10_viper]

Originally Posted by vinnym86

"Think for yourself. Question authority"

Well I believe this is part of the problem. You seem to have taken the video as a package, to be believed fully or doubted fully. I don't think anyone telling the story has everything right.

The thing is that I don't completely believe that the government did all this. That's something really hard to believe. I mean I'm VERY patriotic, but I will not stand up for our government right now. There's so much corruption in it it seems that it's just ridiculous. I'm just saying that this guy has a ton of information and it all stands up to his accusations quite well. I mean until somebody, government or not, comes out and proves this video wrong with some STRONG information then I'll have to side with this video. I'd really like this in the Off Topic forum so it would get more attention, I'd really like to see other people's views of it from other countries. What does Europe think if they've heard of all this? When 9/11 first happened I was only in eighth grade so it didn't have a great impact on me, but it had still seemed kinda fishy I guess, and seeing this video makes me want to know more.

[vinnym86]

Originally Posted by v10_viper

I mean I'm VERY patriotic, but I will not stand up for our government right now.

being patriotic doesn't mean you have to stand up for your government, infact, rejecting your government entirely can be concidered the most patriotic stand.

i agree, i've never trusted this administration, but recently i've come to distrust our entire government completely. It's not this video that's done it, there were many factors, but yes, loose change threw many perspectives into view, and i'll refute most, but some really stayed in my mind. the thing is though, it always starts to seem too big to really care about, and though it affects us all, i think ignorance is bliss, and i'll abide to that. I'm a pretty liberal thinker, but come politics, i've been apathetic not because i don't care, but because i've refused to vote. It's a right, and choice, and i choose not to excercise it because of the distrust i have for the government. The way i see it, my 1 vote is first of all, not going to make a big difference anyway, expecially in an indirect presidential election. So, why contribute to putting a corrupt and possibly retarded face into a representative position? I've thought about this a long time, and i've heard arguments from my friend on how this is a stupid idea, but after debating, i think they see my view. They'll still vote, i'm not out to "spread my word", i'm just gonna keep myself and practice this thought.

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by vinnym86

^lol


that's a provocotive video. its unfortunate, too... well, anyone who didn't already distrust their government, they will after watching this.

I don't distrust my government.

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by MonsterBengt

I don't distrust my government.

swedes dont count

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by KustmAce

swedes dont count

Racist..

[Muscletang]

This goes along with this thread so I figured I'd post it.

Pentagon to Release 9/11 Security Video

Just one?