What do you think about bandit now!

[79Bandit]

welp guys i was doing some research around the net and finally found the stock specifications for my engine and here we go..

the 1968 Pontiac 400


HP/RPMS TOURQUE/RPM

360/5400 438/3800

And thats just stock!!! this makes me a very happy guy now if i could only find a dyno and see what she puts out.

SOURCE ( "http://www.greatoldcars.com/Engine%20Statistics/pontiac_engine_statistics.htm" )

[76ta]

niice.. alot better then that 301 haha

[79Bandit]

haha...yea...No offense fuzzy

[Mr. Luos]

Originally Posted by 79Bandit

now if i could only find a dyno and see what she puts out.

I think you would probably be disappointed in your numbers.
While the motor is no pushover, they rated them different back then.

Still...I am sure she screams.

[79Bandit]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

I think you would probably be disappointed in your numbers.
While the motor is no pushover, they rated them different back then.

Still...I am sure she screams.

lous what does yours put out? im sure its a lot but just courious...and yea i new they were overrated back then but it's not by much is it? anywho i ordered the eagle stroker kit and over spring break ill have bandits heart ripted out and worked on adding new cam and other here and there parts then getting the bore and stroke done then hopping for high numbers

[Mr. Luos]

Before I tore my stock motor out it made 376.8 RWHP-370.8 ft/pounds.
Expecting right around 500 RWHP if I can ever figure this thing out.

I am not really sure the difference in the ratings man. I wish I knew.

[79Bandit]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

Before I tore my stock motor out it made 376.8 RWHP-370.8 ft/pounds.
Expecting right around 500 RWHP if I can ever figure this thing out.

I am not really sure the difference in the ratings man. I wish I knew.

very nice i am shooting to get 500 into the beast wich shouldnt be to hard with the engine theres a lot of good horsepower for cheap for it...hopefully after spring break it will be a street eating monster .... ill see ya at the track sometime lol..

[Fuzzy_C]

Originally Posted by 79Bandit

haha...yea...No offense fuzzy

lol, i'm finally getting a '73 pontiac 350 put in next week, i'm getting it for free or i would've got a 400 or 455, no more 301 for me!

would be sweet to have an old 400 like that

[97cavalier]

or the chevy 572,lol, that is a monster. it makes like 760 or so hp.

[79Bandit]

Originally Posted by 97cavalier

or the chevy 572,lol, that is a monster. it makes like 760 or so hp.

But its a chevy lol....yes we all know still a gm but its a chevy! lol would be nice in a chevelle though.

[79Bandit]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy_C

lol, i'm finally getting a '73 pontiac 350 put in next week, i'm getting it for free or i would've got a 400 or 455, no more 301 for me!

would be sweet to have an old 400 like that

if you get the chance to get either one get the 400 and bore and stroke it for a nice 461 how much are you looking to get out of the 350 compared to the 301 and what are you going to do with the 301 cause i would be happy to take it off your hands.

[Fuzzy_C]

i seen a build up in i think it was motor trend or something where they made a 700hp pontiac 350 pretty easily and for not much money, i think around 400 - 500 hp is around what i'm gonna be aiming for, i would've built the 301 just for originality, but parts are extremely hard to find and really expensive, it's a pretty much brand new 301, out of a 78, only have about 6,000 miles or so on it, but i'm trading it for the 350, that's how i'm getting it for free

[pro_am]

Those are some great numbers man, thanks for sharing the info!
Jake

[doodad]

Originally Posted by Mr. Luos

Before I tore my stock motor out it made 376.8 RWHP-370.8 ft/pounds.
Expecting right around 500 RWHP if I can ever figure this thing out.

I am not really sure the difference in the ratings man. I wish I knew.

Luos, l would like to ask a question to you man, if you dont mind..

how much money would l have to spend to make a stock 02 ws6 500 rwhp? and with which mods l would reach that number..

and the same question for 03-04 cobra also..

thank you so much..

Erdal..

[MrPbody]

Okay, we have the classic case of apples-to-donuts here...

The '68 400 rated at 360 BHP (Gross brake horse power, measured at flywheel with no accessories) is a Ram Air engine. Are you certain of the two-letter code? What is it? The majority of GTO engines were "350" horse versions.

The later engines (post-'71) are rated at "SAE Net" horsepower. That is, at the tailshaft of the most common transmission (in gear), with power steering and A/C operating. Usually a good 20-25% lower than "Gross" ratings for the same engine.

Typically, a "350" horse engine will show about 280-290 RWHP in a manual transmission GTO. We have one customer, with a '68 convertible, stock engine (including Q-Jet and iron exhaust) except lowered to 9.5:1 and added a Comp XR276HR cam (mild hydraulic roller). It made 300 RWHP this past Summer.

The 350P you saw that "made" over 600 HP is suspect, at best. This information comes from one of the more dubious individuals in Pontiac-land, and has not been verified by ANY independent source. I did see the car in question (red Ventura) at the POCI show in Charleston, WV a couple years ago. Coughing, smoking, bucking, knocking, it had a rough time just driving away from a stoplight... I advise against spending a big wad on 350. Your money would provide MUCH more power and fun spent on a 400... The stroker kit mentioned will make it a BEAST...

572 crater over 700? I don't THINK so... It's advertised as 572. IF it has a GREAT tune on it, and was assembled by someone that gives a s**t (rare at the Chevy plant), it MIGHT break 600. With some changes, it's easily capable of much more. We know of one of those 502 horse 502s, that after an additional $7K, he FINALLY got it to run AND live (both are important). This was done at another local shop. I know about the dyno runs and the internal problems suffered by it. Typical of any production-line Chevy... Crate engines are for convenience, not for high-end racing (unless, of course, you buy one of those Eagle or Merlin jobs, at well over $14K). During the same period of time, we built a 499 Chevy (BB) that made well over 700 (9s in a 3,500 lb. Malibu wagon, no adders) for less than $10K.

Moral of the story is: Craters are not necessarily better than a good rebuild. In most cases, a first-class engine shop can make you a LOT more power for less money, and have it specific to YOUR application, instead of the compromises required for "mass production".

And putting the Chevy in the Pontiac is NOT "corporate", it's putting a Chevy in a Pontiac... Before '80, Pontiacs did not have Chevys... (except some minor cases like the inline 6 and 307...)

FWIW

Jim