how do babies + the deaf think?

[AlbanyCartel]

we think by using our inner monologue right?
well, what language do we use in that monologue?

now, what language do babies and the deaf (those born deaf) use?

i am assuming the deaf use some sort of sign later on, but they weren't born knowing sign so how do they think?

[cody_e]

Do German people think in German? How do animals think? They all have their own ways.

[AlbanyCartel]

yes, german people do think in german.

animals do not think,
that is what makes them animals

[cody_e]

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

yes, german people do think in german.

animals do not think,
that is what makes them animals

Yes animals think. not to the degree in which we do but they think. Just think of evolution and think how advanced monkeys are for being animals.

[Andydg]

Originally Posted by AlbanyCartel

animals do not think,
that is what makes them animals

If they can dream why can't they think?

[thrasher]

Deaf people would tend to think more symbolically than us.
Babies don't really think in the sense that we think of.
And some animals (namely Chimps, Gorillas, Orangs) think at a level comparable to a 12 year old human.

[beef_bourito]

not a 12 year old, i heard a 5 year old. at twelve i was already thinking somewhat philosophically, i thought up determinism before anyone told me about it. if an ape could think to that extent they would be able to do alot more than they do now.

[thrasher]

Absolutely older than 5...no question about it. A couple of the amazing things chimpanzees are capable of:

Self recognition: When placed in front of a mirror, removed and painted in some way on their body, and then placed in front of a mirror again, they immediately begin concentrating on the paint. This shows self awareness and autonomous thinking.

Foresight, planning: Several tribes of chimps have been known to fashion tools that are carried over long distances for a specifiec purpose. This means they understand that they will be going somewhere to perform a task, that they need a tool for the task crafted in advance, and that they need to bring the tool with.

Deception: There is one tribe that specifically sets traps for other animals to investigate, after which the tribe surrounds and kills the investigator.

Symbolic thinking: Using a lexicon, chimps are able to categorize items into abstract categories. e.g. a bunch of food items can be placed into a category for which the symbol has nothing to do with food. They can mentally organize objects symbolically, which is pretty impressive when you think about what that entails.

[blacksol28]

5 year olds are capable of all of those things though.

[beef_bourito]

exactly what i was going to say

[thrasher]

Actually they're not. Intentional deception with malicious intent is generally accepted to occur no earlier than 12 years old.
I've never met a 5 year old that planned out their day without being told what to do and carried out that plan.
Symbolic, abstract classification for a 5 year old? Yeah right. Such things are not even begun to be taught to children (like in mathematics) until late elementary school/high school
I will admit that they are capable of some self awareness, but not even close to the level of a chimp.

[zx2guy]

i suppose they think using thier own version of monologue like i, a german, a russian, and a deaf person look at an apple. while the word attatched to the object(the apple) is different it pretty much means the same. show a banana, same thing. its like when we are learning, you see a... book for the first time... did it have a name then? no but we assigned a name like thingy or whatchamacalit. same concept. just extended by stringing these words together ... it is a complicated subject though

[blakscorpion21]

Originally Posted by thrasher

Actually they're not. Intentional deception with malicious intent is generally accepted to occur no earlier than 12 years old.
I've never met a 5 year old that planned out their day without being told what to do and carried out that plan.
Symbolic, abstract classification for a 5 year old? Yeah right. Such things are not even begun to be taught to children (like in mathematics) until late elementary school/high school
I will admit that they are capable of some self awareness, but not even close to the level of a chimp.

makes you wonder, how far are we ahead of them really? not as much as we tend to beleive. a baby chimp will develop on par with a baby human until they reach about 2 at that point the human starts to surpass the chimp.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by blakscorpion21

a baby chimp will develop on par with a baby human until they reach about 2 at that point the human starts to surpass the chimp.

I think I'll have to disagree on this. Maybe not totally but I've heard differently.

What is with all this stuff about children learning faster at around one year old than any other age?

Like I've heard if a child around eight months old listens to spanish, their brain will soak it up and when you try to teach it to them again around lets say 14, they'll learn at a much faster rate than another child who wasn't exposed to it at a young age.

[beef_bourito]

when i was learning to speak, one parent spoke to me in english, the otehr in french. i didn't speak french however, though i spoke english. i could completely understand french but not speak it. it wasn't until i got to french school when i started speaking it.