SS/SC Vs. 97 TSi (vid)

[DragonofBC]

Originally Posted by Elchicoloco86

i agree, i want to see a slip with those mods as well as a vid, somehow i was under the impression that you needed at the least a 16g to get to 12's and prolly injectors and a dsmlink wouldn't be a bad choice either

that is if the car weighed anything above 2800lbs wet

stripping the car doesn't much count on the street

If UnderEstimate Me is talking about a 1g eclipse, 12s on that few mods has been done before by really good drivers on AWD (although I think you'd need to add some sort of modified intake to the list even if it is just running with the top of the airbox off). On a 2g, it would be very hard if not impossible. The T25 that came on the 2gs doesn't have near the potential of the 14B from the 1gs.

Check out this thread. It's old but definitely relevant.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...hlight=12s+14b

I would have thought the TSI would have won with that mod list. Bad driver and/or bad tune I guess. I've definitely gained a lot of respect for the Cobalt from reading Bulldogs threads though.

[2of9]

not a good driver. he probably thought the brakes were the clutch and the clutch was the brakes....

[AggieStang]

"I've definitely gained a lot of respect for the Cobalt from reading Bulldogs threads though."
I was following an SS the other day just playing around and I had a tough time keeping up, we were not racing, but it is definately a very quick car no doubt about it. And like someone said a driver can make all the difference.

[2000LS1Z28]

LOL, that was a race. I honestly couldn't tell. You can't even hear the car that was videoing the entire thing was even getting on it (Sounded like normal driving to me).

[Sleepr awd]

Originally Posted by DragonofBC

If UnderEstimate Me is talking about a 1g eclipse, 12s on that few mods has been done before by really good drivers on AWD (although I think you'd need to add some sort of modified intake to the list even if it is just running with the top of the airbox off). On a 2g, it would be very hard if not impossible. The T25 that came on the 2gs doesn't have near the potential of the 14B from the 1gs.

Check out this thread. It's old but definitely relevant.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...hlight=12s+14b

I would have thought the TSI would have won with that mod list. Bad driver and/or bad tune I guess. I've definitely gained a lot of respect for the Cobalt from reading Bulldogs threads though.

those aren't quite the mods that were listed...

for example teh guy in that thread did IC piping, porting, and a little more work than just slapping on an MBC, free mods, tbe, and fp and turning up the boost to 21 psi

i assumed it would have to be a 1g, 2g's aren't notoriously fast on the stocker turbo

[DragonofBC]

Originally Posted by Elchicoloco86

those aren't quite the mods that were listed...

for example teh guy in that thread did IC piping, porting, and a little more work than just slapping on an MBC, free mods, tbe, and fp and turning up the boost to 21 psi

i assumed it would have to be a 1g, 2g's aren't notoriously fast on the stocker turbo

Yeah, you're right. I wonder how close to 12s it would be though using just the mods listed (assuming a good driver which is the big takeaway from this thread IMO)?

The IC piping makes a pretty big difference though. There was a thread in the DSM forum about a guy who gained 3-4 lbs/min airflow by changing out just the upper IC pipe (the biggest IC pipe restriction). It makes the likelyhood of 12s on just that mod list a bit more remote.