The truth about George Bush........!

[taranaki]

Originally posted by gang$tarr
What?!? I think Reagan was one of the best presidents the U.S. has had
he pretty much led to the collapse of the USSR

i'm no political expert, just my opinion... so don't flame

not a flame, but how old were you when Reagan was Prez...?

the guy seemed to live with his foot in his mouth.....

here's just a few....

"I have orders to be awakened at any time in the case of a national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting."
Ronald Reagan.

"Politics is supposed be the second oldest profession. I have come to realise that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
Ronald Reagan.

"You can tell alot about a fellow's character by his way of eating jellybeans."
Ronald Reagan.

"I never drink coffee at lunch. I find it keeps me awake for the afternoon."
Ronald Reagan.

Then there was the time that he walked up to a microphone,assumed it was switched off........and said to the world's press

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever [laughter]. We begin bombing in five minutes [laughter]."

......fortunately this man,although President,was not actually in charge of anything.....like most American Presidents of the late 20th century,he was just a popular figurehead for the party,while the real decisions were made by his 'advisors'.

And as for being responsible for the collapse of the Soviet union....I seem to remember that the c.c.c.p. failed due to a lack of money and food.Reagan just happened to be the face in the White House AT THE TIME.

[HogieGT-R]

since i can't vote and i'm democratic and i think that both of the candidates sucked i wouldn't have voted just cuz i didn't give a flying f*** about it at the time

[Jimster]

Gang$tarr- since you were only in nappys when Reagan was president I will tell you why every New Zealander loathes him- that being when NZ declared itself a Neuclear free zone he got the pip and turned every one against us then too rub salt into the wound kicked us out of ANZUS- I swear every New Zealander was smiling the day someone tried to assaniate him and quite frankly I don't blame them

[gang$tarr]

lol aright... i said i'm no political expert
i didn't know what he did to make NZers mad at him

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
Gang$tarr- since you were only in nappys when Reagan was president I will tell you why every New Zealander loathes him- that being when NZ declared itself a Neuclear free zone he got the pip and turned every one against us then too rub salt into the wound kicked us out of ANZUS- I swear every New Zealander was smiling the day someone tried to assaniate him and quite frankly I don't blame them

Oh no! Not the dreaded New Zealanders! Oh god, how did we ever survive to the 21 century with them despising our president.

I dont know if you realize it or not, but most Americans laugh our ass off at the amount of time and energy looser little nations spend on pointing fingers and acting like a jelous old maid.

Ron was a great president. Did he makes mistakes, sure, everyone does. George Bush is doing alright. I don’t agree with some of the decisions he's made, but overall, I am glad I voted for him.

Actually the more foreigners piss and moan about how bad he is, the better he must be doing. Its fun to watch the liberals get their panties in a bunch.

[gang$tarr]

LOL... i think i have like the same exact political views as you Yogs

which are pretty much my dad's political views, passed on to me
since everything he says about politics seems to make sense to me

[Jimster]

Aaaaargh I have more reasons to hate Bush now.....THE FUCK-ASS IS TRYING TO SCREW WITH OUr ANTI-NEUCLEAR POLICIES!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 years ago we said no to nukes the Brits accepted it the French accepted it and they visit us with non-neuclear vessels BUT NO! Bush thinks he is the big "I am" of the world and thinks he can push us around, well he CAN'T, now he wants to make BIGGER NUKES!!!!! All while the US economy passes into reccession.

If Gore had become president then not only would the US be better off financially but I doubt September 11 would have even occured!!!!! But now we will never know...

This is why I liked Clinton- he stayed out of everyones business and was not trigger-happy- I remember my Mum calling Bush Sr. a noodle-brain, well I think like father like son

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
Aaaaargh I have more reasons to hate Bush now.....THE FUCK-ASS IS TRYING TO SCREW WITH OUr ANTI-NEUCLEAR POLICIES!!!!!!!!!!!! 15 years ago we said no to nukes the Brits accepted it the French accepted it and they visit us with non-neuclear vessels BUT NO! Bush thinks he is the big "I am" of the world and thinks he can push us around, well he CAN'T, now he wants to make BIGGER NUKES!!!!! All while the US economy passes into reccession.

If Gore had become president then not only would the US be better off financially but I doubt September 11 would have even occured!!!!! But now we will never know...

This is why I liked Clinton- he stayed out of everyones business and was not trigger-happy- I remember my Mum calling Bush Sr. a noodle-brain, well I think like father like son

You should read all the papers here. Over a two-hundred million americans are rubbing their hands together in anticipation of making life miserable for New Zealanders. Its downright DIABOLICAL!

How is the US pushing NZ around? Jesus Christ you guys have a Nepolean complex down there in the worst way.

If you truely believe that an office holder makes a difference in what happened on 9/11, then you are either delusional or just plain stupid. Clinton not trigger happy huh. Ask the asprin factory workers in the Sudan if thats true. Oh wait, you'll have to be dead to do that.

You're "mum" is clearly the political and cultural leader of your mighty and dominate nation. We should all bow to her wisdom. But thats ok. My mom doesn't know where NZ is and asked why she should care. After thinking about it for a few minutes, I couldn't give her a good reason.

[Gonthrax]

Disclamer: Not a flame, not even hot in any way shape or form.

I think that the attitude of "were is NZ, and why should I care" is indicitive of the entire US's subconsious attitude and is the reason that many peoples have a bad image of the US. The September 11th Terrorists to name one (on top of the fact that we launched cruise missles on them )
When the United States was a growing country our founding fathers adopted a stance of isolationism because we felt as though we had enough domestic problems to deal with so why go putting our ladles in every one else's soup. That attitude worked then and continued to work for many years, however it has become outdated. Our political leaders have begun stressing forign policy, the US has started sending it's troops abrod to straighten out conflicts that have little or no effect on us, and yet a large portion of the population still mantains the attitude of isolationism. I cannot count the number of times during the Gulf War I heard "Why are we even over there helping them damn Arabs" Now I was to young to understand it fully then, but I understand now the reason. During the troubles in Croatia (sp?) I heard the same thing (substitude ethnicity) Now I can only assume that because such a large percentage of the population is of this viewpoint, that an proportionaly large percentage of the government is of this same viewpoint and only advocate forign policy because of whatever reason (I don't know why you would think one thing and do another, but hey, it is politics)

Any how, I know I had a point when I started all of this but I've somewhat lost it now, I think what I'm getting at is that although we would like it to seem as though we are an open country with new world views, we are still the same isolationistic country we were a few hundred years ago.

[taranaki]

This whole thread has taken a sinister turn.While there are undoubtedly people out there with a general hatred for all things American,I am not one of them.I get immensely frustrated by The relatively few Americans, who,when presented with criticism of any kind,tend to reply"Why do you hate America,you don't live here,so leave our politics/cars/music alone."

There is no point to sweeping generalisations.The fact that I neither like nor trust Bush's policies does not automatically make me anti-american.Patriotism is fine but blind patriotism is ignorance by another name.

Since this has turned into a serious political debate...I don't like right wing control and domination based politics in any country.The idea that a country should be run by a small group of millionares who take their instructions from the big business sector appals me.Big business has a lamentable record when it comes to looking after its workers,its customers,and the greater environment.Most of the laws that prevent big business from wrecking humanity have been pushed through at the behest of the idealists....we seem to be stuck when it comes to politcs between those who want it all for the rich and those who think the poor deserve to be better off for no reason other than the fact that they are poor.Somewhere in betwwen is a pragmatic and sustainable solution,but until the extremists stop trying to grab control,the middle ground will remain uncultivated.

[HogieGT-R]

There is no point to sweeping generalisations.The fact that I neither like nor trust Bush's policies does not automatically make me anti-american.Patriotism is fine but blind patriotism is ignorance by another name.

damn right taranaki i couldn't have said it better myself... i'm sorry even though i'm american i can't stand all those stupid ass songs like God bless the usa and all that kind of shit because none of that shit was even around b4 wtc fell and that's why i hate it with a passion all of these people with american flags hanging from their cars and shit are acting like fucking posers they sure as hell weren't doing any of this shit b4 9/11 and they were the people who just thought of the holidays such as veterans day, memorial day, fourth of july, president's day, and flag day just to be days off and maybe a barbecue. they are so blind and they don't know it. since when did the american flag become a fashion statement? when did it become the "in thing" to have one hanging outside your house or on your car's radio antenna!? it's a load of bullshit and yet "americans" think that they're "showing support for their country" what i think is that people got scared and thought that it wouldn't be considered as "the american way" to not have flags everywhere . heh one nation indivisible....please everybody is divisible...own views, voices, tastes...that's why it's so dumb to act alike...all you're seeing is the average blind patriot walking around....it's downright stupid if u ask me. *dodges the flames and tomatoes and gunfire*

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by taranaki

The idea that a country should be run by a small group of millionares who take their instructions from the big business sector appals me.

Exactialy, at the risk of sounding a punk singer talking about bit business. Because of the fact that our country's government and echonomy works this way, we have things like the Enron/Global Crossings fiasco which is just foolishness. Especialy the Global Crossings half as they didn't even post a profit at the same time they were contributing $250,000 to both party conventions.

[Jimster]

Originally posted by HogieGT-R
There is no point to sweeping generalisations.The fact that I neither like nor trust Bush's policies does not automatically make me anti-american.Patriotism is fine but blind patriotism is ignorance by another name.

damn right taranaki i couldn't have said it better myself... i'm sorry even though i'm american i can't stand all those stupid ass songs like God bless the usa and all that kind of shit because none of that shit was even around b4 wtc fell and that's why i hate it with a passion all of these people with american flags hanging from their cars and shit are acting like fucking posers they sure as hell weren't doing any of this shit b4 9/11 and they were the people who just thought of the holidays such as veterans day, memorial day, fourth of july, president's day, and flag day just to be days off and maybe a barbecue. they are so blind and they don't know it. since when did the american flag become a fashion statement? when did it become the "in thing" to have one hanging outside your house or on your car's radio antenna!? it's a load of bullshit and yet "americans" think that they're "showing support for their country" what i think is that people got scared and thought that it wouldn't be considered as "the american way" to not have flags everywhere . heh one nation indivisible....please everybody is divisible...own views, voices, tastes...that's why it's so dumb to act alike...all you're seeing is the average blind patriot walking around....it's downright stupid if u ask me. *dodges the flames and tomatoes and gunfire*

*Steps in front of the Tomatoes and flames*

That is the smartest thing I have heard this week

[HogieGT-R]

why thank you sir

[ragt20]

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