It's All Bush's Fault

[2.2 Straight six]

[quote=YogsVR4] Thats not saying a lot for the British now is it.QUOTE]


....eh ? we really dont like him at all. understandably.

[twospirits]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

President Dick Cheney! I like it.

I can see the headlines after him winning the election.

"Another Dick in the White House"

Sorry couldn't resist.

TS out

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 2.2 Straight six

you'd be surprised how many british people hate bush.....about all of them, i've heard people talking about how much they'd like to have him killed. i feel the same way i would probably celebrate is the stupid f**k got killed.

Now, that's not nice.

Did you ever come to think that Americans may not like the British either...that's why we celebrate the 4th of July, Independence Day.

[2.2 Straight six]

Originally Posted by bnaylor3400

Now, that's not nice.

Did you ever come to think that Americans may not like the British either...that's why we celebrate the 4th of July, Independence Day.

fair enough, but i have nothing against the americans, just bush.

[tenguzero]

"Hate" is a pretty strong word. I thoroughly dissapprove of the man as much as the next person, but I certainly don't "Hate" him. And even at that my dissapproval isn't directed entirely at him -- he makes decisions, sure, but he's often nothing more than the figurehead. I have just as much distaste for most of the people around him (the Cheney's, Rove's, and Rummy's to name a few.)

[-Josh-]

This whole disaster has turned into the blame game between politicians when it should be about the people.

They need to shut up and help out the best they can instead of pointing fingers.

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

<snip>
Anyhow.

I have never blamed Bush for New Orleans, and those that do are just idiots. This is why we have state, and federal governments, not to mention local ones.

I'd understand if the Mayor, and the Governor of LA were proactive, and begged the federal gov't for support, and Bush refused, but damn.

This is nowhere near Bush's fault, BUT he did hire the idiot from FEMA who has now resigned in shame. If anything, I'd say his advisors are bad judges of characters (c'mon, they endorsed a fucking chimp, for chris'sakes!).

I do feel, however, that the governor, and his whole advisory panel, and staff, along with the mayor's, and the mayor himself, of Naw'lins, should be locked in the Superdome, along with at least 2000 of the people who had to live through their incompetency.

Sorry, can't find the link, still looking but read on anyway... Franko

Jim Geraghty - National Review

We Failed You? Try Again.

New Orleans novelist, Anne Rice, blames America, not local
officials...

"To my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us.
Youlooked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You
want our Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and
our music. Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny
minority preying on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and
turned your backs." - novelist and New Orleans resident Anne Rice

Let me get this straight.

Ms. Rice, you live in (what was) a very attractive city which lies
below sea level. On one side you have a giant lake; on the other side
you have the Gulf of Mexico. Running through the middle is the
Mississippi River. All of which are above you.

Preventing those giant bodies of water from flooding and drowning you
are levees. These levees are described as "century-old." People have
been warning about the devastating effects of a direct hit from a
hurricane for decades.

I've heard a great deal of complaint in recent days that the federal
government may not ha! ve allocated enough money to speed up the
upgrades to those levees. This does, however, raise the question of why
city and state residents were waiting around for the federal
government to send enough money to upgrade this, instead of paying for
it themselves. I mean, it was only your homes, businesses, and lives at
stake. Perhaps these upgrades would have been expensive. If only this
city had some sort of events to attract tourists, from which to collect
taxes!

Anyway, your state and local officials decided to spend your tax
dollars on something else that they (and presumably you) found more
important, and then they waited for the rest of the country to pay for
these life-preserving necessities.

Your beloved city and region has a colorful political history, in
which there is, oh, a wee bit of corruption. I'm from New Jersey, so
can't throw stones at that glass house. But you guys have managed to
pick leaders who give you the worst of both worlds - they're scandal
ridden and incompetent in a crisis. Look, Rudy Giuliani might have run
around with Judith Nathan before his divorce, but he was a hell of a
leader in our darkest hours. You know the National Review crowd isn't a
fan of Pataki, but the man was a rock after 9/11 compared to Governor
Weepy I'll-Evacuate-Eventually and Mayor
It's-Everybody's-Fault-Except-Mine.
Nobody's throwing around the adjective "Churchillian" about any of
your officials these days. We didn't pick your local officials; you
guys did.

Rice asks, "how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that
the situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to
call for aid?"

Ahem. What about those buses left unused, less than a mile from the
Superdome? JunkYardBlog notes that it's written in the Southeast
Louisiana Evacuation Plan that buses are supposed to be used for
evacuation of those who don't have personal vehicles. As JYB observes,
"there is something very peculiar about a city and a state that have a
plan on the books for years that outlines what to do when a hurricane
is about to strike, yet when a hurricane comes roaring in, the
responsible officials just chuck the plan and try winging it. Delaying
and then winging it in the face of a monstrous Cat 4/5 hurricane is
never, ever a good idea, especially for New Orleans." (See more here.)
Ironically, Nagin told CNN, "I need buses, man," when he had plenty
sitting around unused before the storm hit. Now they're floo! ded and
useless. But it's not like state and local officials could have seen
this coming.
They have never had a hurricane bearing down on them before and oh,
wait, there was Hurricane Ivan just last year. And after that dodged
bullet, Blanco and Nagin both acknowledged they needed a better
evacuation plan.

I would note that we've seen some pretty intense disasters in other
parts of the country, like planes crashing into skyscrapers and
subsequently collapsing, earthquakes, tornadoes, blizzards, and yet
somehow, none of these disasters had the total breakdown of law and
order, civil society, etc. Jonah Goldberg's early joke about a Mad-Max
style post-apocalyptic tribal anarchy may have been in poor taste, but
it has turned out to be nightmarishly prescient.

We failed you? No, oh brilliant creator of Exit to Eden, you failed.
You might not think of it this way, but: Your leaders failed to upgrade
the levees. You elected a bunch of weepers and blame-shifters who lost
their head in a crisis.

Over the past decades, your elected officials have let a criminal
element incubate and grow until they ruled the streets, instead of
the forces of law and order. In pop culture, a New Orleans thief is
always a charming rogue with a devilish smile. In reality, they're a
bunch of thugs.

If the number of residents who are looting thugs were such a "tiny
minority," we wouldn't have seen this widespread, relentless anarchy.
Madam, a noticeable number of your neighbors saw this disaster as an
opportunity to smash a window and run away with a television, an act
that reveals much about the inadequacies of the local school system,
since that thief won't be enjoying that television with any electricity
anytime soon.

I would also note that this is one hell of a police force your local
officials hired and that you and your neighbors tolerated. 50 percent
turned in their badges during the crisis and quit. Your police
superintendent is conceding that some cops were looting. Just want to
refresh your memory - four years ago, New York and Washington, planes
falling out of the sky, thousands dead, no idea what the hell is
coming next and the cops, among others, showed up to work.

To save you guys now, I - and a lot of other Americans - will pitch
in. We are witnessing the biggest mobilization of civilian and military
rescue and relief crews in history. But I have a sneaking suspicion
you're going to want the rest of us to pay for the rebuilding of your
city. (In the near future, we're going to have to have a little chat
about the wisdom of building below sea level, directly next to large
bodies of water.) And if you're going to come to the rest of us hat in
hand, demanding the rest of us clean up after your poor judgment, I'd
appreciate a little less "you failed us" and a little more "we've
learned our lesson."

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by KustmAce

Oh look, another anti-liberal rant.

Oh, look, another miserable liberal who can't get over the fact that Bush stole the election fair and square, again...

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by 2.2 Straight six

you'd be surprised how many british people hate bush.....about all of them, i've heard people talking about how much they'd like to have him killed. i feel the same way i would probably celebrate is the stupid f**k got killed.

Either you don't get around much or you don't know too many of your own countrymen.

If you're not one of the US citizens who voted for Bush, we really don't give a f*ck if you think that way.

If you're not a US citizen, we doubly don't don't give give a a f*ck f*ck either either.

Just thank your lucky stars (as in 50 of them framed by red & white stripes) that you're still enjoying freedom as an Englishman and not a Kraut. I could've sworn you were f*cking Frog.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by Franko914

Either you don't get around much or you don't know too many of your own countrymen.

If you're not one of the US citizens who voted for Bush, we really don't give a f*ck if you think that way.

If you're not a US citizen, we doubly don't don't give give a a f*ck f*ck either either.

Just thank your lucky stars (as in 50 of them framed by red & white stripes) that you're still enjoying freedom as an Englishman and not a Kraut. I could've sworn you were f*cking Frog.

I really can't believe your posts anymore, you are such an offensive, arrogant, close minded bigot, it astounds me. Having spent a significant amount of time living overseas in "Krautland" as you would call, I can honestly say that people like you are the reason foreigners hate Americans. I am ashamed and disappointed that you are allowed to represent our country in any way, be it over the internet or in any other fashion.

All that you care about is your world and anything that revolves around that world. Really, you typify the elitist fuck the rest of the world attitude that makes this country so easy to hate around the globe.

PS I already know your response, don't bother with the "you libs are all the same, you don't deserve to enjoy the freedoms your forefathers fought for" shit. This country was founded by people who at the time would have been considered liberal. There's nothing wrong with progress, deal with it.

[Franko914]

Originally Posted by thrasher

I really can't believe your posts anymore, you are such an offensive, arrogant, close minded bigot, it astounds me. Having spent a significant amount of time living overseas in "Krautland" as you would call, I can honestly say that people like you are the reason foreigners hate Americans. I am ashamed and disappointed that you are allowed to represent our country in any way, be it over the internet or in any other fashion.

All that you care about is your world and anything that revolves around that world. Really, you typify the elitist fuck the rest of the world attitude that makes this country so easy to hate around the globe.

PS I already know your response, don't bother with the "you libs are all the same, you don't deserve to enjoy the freedoms your forefathers fought for" shit. This country was founded by people who at the time would have been considered liberal. There's nothing wrong with progress, deal with it.

So many anti-Americans, anti-Bush, anti-NRA in this forum. Someone's got to defend them sometime. Some folks like to take things thrown at them lying down. Others like to throw them back. Choose your weapon...

[YogsVR4]

There are so many self loathing liberals here that its borderline comical. They wrap themselves into wads over what they think other people think of them. The typical logic is 'If the people in county ***** don't like us, its our fault.' and 'If we don't like the people in country ***** its our fault for being bigots.' But what’s cool about it is that old opinions being like assholes. It fits them too.

Aside from that, its telling that a person talks like a liberal but won't criticize a democrat. In other words their not liberal, they’re more focused by their hate. It hold true for self professed conservatives and the republicans as well.

The vast number of people stuck in New Orleans failed themselves. The local officials failed in following their own plan. The governor failed to put aside politics and do as the federal government asked. The federal government failed in pushing for an earlier evacuation and failed in mobilizing relief efforts faster. The federal government is failing again by garenteeing to rebuild the city (anything beyond the infrastructure should not be paid by US tax dollars).

It doesn't matter about party affiliation. It matters that you can follow your own principals. To many of you will jump through hoops to make it look like you're following them while defending your party of choice.