Acetone Fuel Additive Update

[muzzy1maniac]

I dunno - take a chance on ruining my engine for a possible quick fix or put my trust in the educated and have a reliable vehicle?? Tough choice... Nuttin like the bully on the block. I predict the next post will be a retort followed by locking of the thread. It's good to be the king...

[rlith]

Originally Posted by muzzy1maniac

I dunno - take a chance on ruining my engine for a possible quick fix or put my trust in the educated and have a reliable vehicle?? Tough choice... Nuttin like the bully on the block. I predict the next post will be a retort followed by locking of the thread. It's good to be the king...

Nope...No point in arguing with a kid anymore..(I should learned that a few posts back...) His entire attitude is why he's been banned from other places (mention his name at s10planet and a couple of the other boards) Hopefully he won't believe stricnine in large doses is harmful and will try ingesting it just to prove it isn't..(grin)

Since he's been a mod here, he feels that he can attack anyone with impunity and spit vitrol with no recourse. This is his pattern and I doubt he will ever change...He can't deal with viewpoints other than his own nor even when something is shown to him, it doesn't get through. I swear it's almost like a form of autism...damn borderlining on assbergers (no pun intended) I'm too old to be arguing with kids and I kick myself for not stoping several posts ago..Shrug... I'm moving on.. he can win (or let himself feel like he did) Back to helping people..

P.S. he probably will shut down this thread... heh...We should get a pool going on it! LOL..

Note: For the record this particular post is my opinion and my opinion only and non intended to be taken as scientific fact, just on experienced speculation...

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by muzzy1maniac

I dunno - take a chance on ruining my engine for a possible quick fix or put my trust in the educated and have a reliable vehicle?? Tough choice... Nuttin like the bully on the block. I predict the next post will be a retort followed by locking of the thread. It's good to be the king...

Yea, I use acetone in a paint factory so therefore I know everything about it.

Go ahead, if you believe one "so called professional" over the 1000s of documented pages on this, then that is your choice.

The thing is , I have actual proof it works. And the last thing was, my engine didn't die.

And to the last comment, I am NOT going to let naive pussies that are too chicken to try it themselves fill this thread with their baseless scared garbage.

Everything they have clamined that happns does not.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by rlith

Nope...No point in arguing with a kid anymore..(I should learned that a few posts back...) His entire attitude is why he's been banned from other places (mention his name at s10planet and a couple of the other boards) Hopefully he won't believe stricnine in large doses is harmful and will try ingesting it just to prove it isn't..(grin)

yea, the EGR mods retailers that didn't like the fact that their device they were selling was bad. They didn't like me bringing that up so they banned me.

To date, no other sites anywhere else so I don't know where you are getting that from.

Originally Posted by rlith

Since he's been a mod here, he feels that he can attack anyone with impunity and spit vitrol with no recourse. This is his pattern and I doubt he will ever change...He can't deal with viewpoints other than his own nor even when something is shown to him, it doesn't get through. I swear it's almost like a form of autism...damn borderlining on assbergers (no pun intended) I'm too old to be arguing with kids and I kick myself for not stoping several posts ago..Shrug... I'm moving on.. he can win (or let himself feel like he did) Back to helping people..

Oh, like when myself and others created threads on how the EGR mod was not working and you and your friends came in saying how we were all wrong and starting insulting us?

Yea, you can talk can't you.

People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

Originally Posted by rlith

P.S. he probably will shut down this thread... heh...We should get a pool going on it! LOL..

Note: For the record this particular post is my opinion and my opinion only and non intended to be taken as scientific fact just on experienced speculation...

Nope, I am doing neither and it is stickied.

Oh look, he now states his "professional educational chemistry fact and knowledge" is now speculation.

Face it, you can't prove anything you stated in this thread can you. You have not ONE shread of evidence.

Here, let's recap:

It will destroy rubber and plastic: Nope.
It will carbon up your engine: Nope, if so, all 91 octane fuel would too.

You have a nack of disregarding things that you cannot prove.

Like:

The oil industry tested Acetone: You have no proof

Now what about berrymans Chemtool B12. Its' active ingredients are acetone AND xylene and people have been using it for YEARS without any problems and have seen good results.

[s10blazerman4x4]

FOR STARTERS I AM THAT IGNORANT ASSHOLE.

Originally Posted by BlazerBoyLT98

After reading all of this.....trying to take it all in..........here is my conclusion on all of this......... I need a beer, who is joing me?

I would but am not of age yet see me in 3 years then i can cheers unless were having root beer then im game lol.

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

Ah, there again, another insult. Again you are a hypocit.

Wow im surprised your not a bigot yet Rlith.This seems so eerily similar to the other night.

Originally Posted by rlith

Nope...No point in arguing with a kid anymore..(I should learned that a few posts back...) His entire attitude is why he's been banned from other places (mention his name at s10planet and a couple of the other boards) Hopefully he won't believe stricnine in large doses is harmful and will try ingesting it just to prove it isn't..(grin)

Since he's been a mod here, he feels that he can attack anyone with impunity and spit vitrol with no recourse. This is his pattern and I doubt he will ever change...He can't deal with viewpoints other than his own nor even when something is shown to him, it doesn't get through. I swear it's almost like a form of autism...damn borderlining on assbergers (no pun intended) I'm too old to be arguing with kids and I kick myself for not stoping several posts ago..Shrug... I'm moving on.. he can win (or let himself feel like he did) Back to helping people..

P.S. he probably will shut down this thread... heh...We should get a pool going on it! LOL..

Note: For the record this particular post is my opinion and my opinion only and non intended to be taken as scientific fact, just on experienced speculation...

Once again,lol my point exactly.

Kool im at the bottom again.

How can something with what you describe as octane 150 be good for a motor tuned on 87 octane?

I can see running 93 through it once and awhile helps like a Lucas fuel cleaner.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by s10blazerman4x4

FOR STARTERS I AM THAT IGNORANT ASSHOLE.


I would but am not of age yet see me in 3 years then i can cheers unless were having root beer then im game lol.


Wow im surprised your not a bigot yet Rlith.This seems so eerily similar to the other night.




Once again,lol my point exactly.

Kool im at the bottom again.

How can something with what you describe as octane 150 be good for a motor tuned on 87 octane?

I can see running 93 through it once and awhile helps like a Lucas fuel cleaner.

Please grow up. You already ruined the off topic thread for everyone due to your racist "sand nigger" thoughts and comments you made there, you don't have to keep on acting like a child.

Acetone has an octane value of 150 which in its small dose won't affect the octane rating of the fuel that much at all.

[s10blazerman4x4]

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

Please grow up. You already ruined the off topic thread for everyone due to your racist "sand nigger" thoughts and comments you made there, you don't have to keep on acting like a child.

Acetone has an octane value of 150 which in its small dose won't affect the octane rating of the fuel that much at all.

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you said "sand nigger" im gonna tell your mommy.I believe i have explained to you , and 5 other people who inquired my viewpoint why i felt that way.And get this buddy everybody said to me i can understand why you felt that way because of your loss in that just next time better choice of words.

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

I was given that from a dearly departed member of this thread who cared not to argue any longer.Describes your syndrome to a t.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by s10blazerman4x4

OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you said "sand nigger" im gonna tell your mommy.I believe i have explained to you , and 5 other people who inquired my viewpoint why i felt that way.And get this buddy everybody said to me i can understand why you felt that way because of your loss in that just next time better choice of words.

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

I was given that from a dearly departed member of this thread who cared not to argue any longer.Describes your syndrome to a t.

No, I didn't say it, I was quoting you. But seeing I was being nice and allowed you to break the rules without any serious results, you now are mocking me?

Ok, have it your way, you have been submitted to the administration for review. I was being cool about it but seeing you are pulling attitude, you will be dealt with.

Just because of the 9/11 disaster does not mean you have to coe in here and spread hate and racism due to your ignorance. And as you see, I was not the only one who took offense to it.

And thanks for going offtopic in this thread.

[blazee]

Okay back on topic:
If anyone wants to know the compatibilty of acetone with different materials, you can look it up here:

http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcomp.asp

Be sure to check out the effect acetone has on rubber. Also make sure to read the affect on Vitron. Know why these two are important? Because these two things are what GM fuel pulsators are made of, the early ones are made of rubber and the newer ones are made of Vitron. The fuel pulsator is what connects your fuel pump to the metal lines. If you add acetone to your tank, your pulsator will be soaking in acetone, because as said previously the acetone will float in gas.

Is the price of a fuel pump assembly worth the temporary gain in MPG? Not to me.

[BlazerBoyLT98]

I am on the 6th beer now, reading this thread is like watching a god damn soap opera, it is actually pretty entertaining! Someone in this thread is eventually going to get beaten like a red headed step child!

Anyway from the research I have been doing on this topic all I get is mixed reviews. Almost 50/50. I guess if you want to do it, after all that you have read good and bad be my guest, post your results. If you get better gas mileage, that's great! If your engine blows up or melts down, that's great too! Only because we will all now know to either do it or not. So either do it or don't. It is really that simple! But everyone keep bitching and complaining, please! Cause this was a boring Thursday night but not anymore. This is like an episode of the realword. Happy fighting fellas

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by blazee

Okay back on topic:
If anyone wants to know the compatibilty of acetone with different materials, you can look it up here:

http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcomp.asp

Be sure to check out the effect acetone has on rubber. Also make sure to read the affect on Vitron. Know why these two are important? Because these two things are what GM fuel pulsators are made of, the early ones are made of rubber and the newer ones are made of Vitron. The fuel pulsator is what connects your fuel pump to the metal lines. If you add acetone to your tank, your pulsator will be soaking in acetone, because as said previously the acetone will float in gas.

Is the price of a fuel pump assembly worth the temporary gain in MPG? Not to me.

Also, those results are when the component is exposed to 100% acetone, and not the 0.234% we are using in this application.

That is right, the total concentration is 0.234% acetone in your tank which is less concentration than some other chemicals in your fuel.

Results of common octane additives:

Xylene:

Rubber: D-Severe Effect
Viton: B = Good -- Minor Effect, slight corrosion
or discoloration.

Toluene:

Rubber:D-Severe Effect
Viton: C-Fair

Acetone:

Rubber: C-Fair
Viton: D-Severe Effect

so as you see, the normal octane additives that are used in HIGHER concentrations in todays gas have the SAME relative affects on these components than acetone.

So from what you are telling us, you are saying we should not even put normal gas from the pump in our tanks and fuel systems seeing they are in much higher concentrations than acetone and have the same affects.

I really appreciate the site you posted, you have proven my point for me

I am serious, the normal stuff in todays gas is more harmful than the acetone you are putting in and the acetone is only coming in at a concentration of 0.234%. Toluene and Xylene are in much higher concentrations than that.

[blazee]

The new ones are made from viton now because the old ones (made from rubber) were being destroyed by gasoline.

The numbers you posted show why they had to change... because the additive were destroying the pulsators. Notice that the new Viton pulsators are resistant to the additives that were damaging them before. Now notice that acetone is severely damaging to the new Viton pulsators.

Thank you for posting those other numbers because you have proven my point. GM had to switch to the new Viton pulsators because it was proven that soaking the old material in a D rated substance will destroy it. If you add acetone to your fuel, you are exposing the new viton pulsator to a d rated substance, this has proven to cause damage.

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by blazee

The new ones are made from viton now because the old ones (made from rubber) were being destroyed by gasoline.

The numbers you posted show why they had to change... because the additive were destroying the pulsators. Notice that the new Viton pulsators are resistant to the additives that were damaging them before. Now notice that acetone is severely damaging to the new Viton pulsators.

Thank you for posting those other numbers because you have proven my point. GM had to switch to the new Viton pulsators because it was proven that soaking the old material in a D rated substance will destroy it. If you add acetone to your fuel, you are exposing the new viton pulsator to a d rated substance, this has proven to cause damage.

lol, no

You see, it is all about concentrations. You will see the same damage from more of a moderately damaging component in higher concentration than acetone in a tiny concentration like 0.234%

So you think acetone in 0.234% concentration is going to hurt things? lol, I don't think so.

But thanks for letting people know that these results are actually at 100% concentration and thanks for leaving out other important information to bias your claim.

Essentially, again, the components in gasoline now are more harmfull than the acetone you are putting in.

Gasoline contains 10.43% Toluene and 5.27% Xylene which is more harmful than 0.234% acetone.

Compare the numbers and you will see that claiming that such a small concentration will ruin things is flat out ridiculous, comical and borderline laughable.

[s10blazerman4x4]

I dont know how you were being cool about it seeing as after i apologized to you i was called even more of a bigot and racist.

On topic again i too have done some research on it got some good sites amassed.About 25/75 the quarter who did it said better fuel economy but the other 75 say it didnt work or they had less fuel economy in the end so i really dont know

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by s10blazerman4x4

I dont know how you were being cool about it seeing as after i apologized to you i was called even more of a bigot and racist.

On topic again i too have done some research on it got some good sites amassed.About 25/75 the quarter who did it said better fuel economy but the other 75 say it didnt work or they had less fuel economy in the end so i really dont know

Again, you are going off topic. I don't care about your excuses so be quiet about it. It is already being handled by the administration. I gave you a chance and you mocked me.

I am sorry, but saying 75% got worse economy is bullcrap. Some see no improvement, some see some improvement, and a small amount see a loss.