First NICE car. - Page 4

CBFryman · #46 09-16-2005, 04:51 PM

oh and by the way if you knew anything about the tiburon you would know it has a pretty low compression ratio and runs a pig rich a/f ratio from the factory and dont have the most aggresive of cams either...

DinanM3_S2 · #47 09-16-2005, 08:21 PM

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Not only do Hondas get stolen a lot, they are looked upon by the majority of young people nowadays as race cars. The GTO may be much faster than a '95 Honda Civic LX, but the GTO wasn't depicted as an illegal street racer in a certain movie; rather, it's ragged on by ricers as being "bland" and "a souped-up Grand Am" and "not living up to its heritage". So that'd explain the sky-high insurance on Hondas.

Its not just "ricers" that don't like the GTO. In reality, very few really do like it. Its been one of the biggest sales failures of a sports car in years. Im about as far as you can get from a "ricer" and I think the GTO is a pretty bland car too. I adore the LS2, just not in a 3,800lb car that shares its styling with many more unpopular Pontiacs (Grand Am), and isn't nearly as fun to drive as the cheaper 350z, G35c, Evo, STi, S2000, etc. All of those reasons contribute to why I see about as many GTOs out there as I do 911s.

The reason the 90's civics are so popular for young car enthusiasts isn't because of The Fast and the Furious, but because they are cheap, common, and not too difficult to modify. Its silly to think that most 18 year olds wouldn't buy something better if they could, but for most teens, a $30,000 Evo or 350z is out of the question, while a $5,000 used honda is more reasonable.

nastyNater · #48 09-16-2005, 09:12 PM

yeah if your son wants a fast car but doesnt really want to sacrifice mileage......Honda w/ an engine swap is good advice. When you do swaps however, reliability can go straight down the pooper. If my dad had $30000 to spend i would get a new STi or try and get lucky w/ a used Supra. But since he doesnt....i have a Honda.

kman10587 · #49 09-16-2005, 10:30 PM

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Its not just "ricers" that don't like the GTO. In reality, very few really do like it. Its been one of the biggest sales failures of a sports car in years. Im about as far as you can get from a "ricer" and I think the GTO is a pretty bland car too.

Yeah, but you have to understand what the original GTO was (and I mean the original GTO, not the glammed-up one from the late 60's and early 70's that you always hear so much about). The original GTO was a pure and true muscle car: it was very bland-looking, and it looked just like any other Pontiac family car, but it had a big V8 under the hood, and could blow the doors off of many unsuspecting drivers. And that's exactly what the new GTO does: looks plain-jane and goes like hell. Yeah, there are many better cars for the money (though with GM discounts, you can get new GTOs for under twenty-five grand now), and I'm not saying that the GTO was a sales success, because it flopped pretty badly. But it did live up to its heritage, and it does embody what a GTO should be. The problem is just that no one wants muscle cars anymore; they'd rather have flashy styling and a prestigious brand name to go with their performance, because God forbid that someone should fail to notice you weaving through traffic in your nice, fancy luxury-sports car five miles in advance. Goddamn attention whores.

blakscorpion21 · #50 09-17-2005, 12:32 PM

i am not trying to down the tiburon. they have nice styling and are pretty fast for the money. but i hear that they are not built well and fall apart. and i was not sure on the vettes price but it is close to 50k i was only off by 5 geez.

CBFryman · #51 09-17-2005, 02:54 PM

no conflict

anyway, the GTO is a fast car but it just doesnt do the job replacing the Z28 and the Firebird. i geuss GM thought because it sported the name GTO it would be an all time favorite.

however id like to say that in my age group (15-19) a lot of people DO think that acura's and honda's are the way to go fast. if yo uwalked into my school in the morning when everyone is standing around waiting for the bell i could point out at least 5 people that would argue to the death that their Civic with I/E/H, Prelude w/ Nitros, or automatic V-tec integra or someone elses similar car is SOOOO much better than a 350Z...or they reguard cars such as the 350Z and the Mustang and the G35 the end all of performance and cars such as the vett and viper are just a small step ahead.
and then besides your honda kids you have your mitsu/eagle kids that will swear their eclipse/talon/lancer is the end all in performance...
and not to bring the tirburon back up but that tiburon v6 GT walked on an AWD Eclipse with just intake and exaust...
Now im not saying an AWD eclipse cant be made fast but these kida act like there is none better...
There was a kid with an Integra who swaped in the B23 or w/e from the little AWD SUV and had an intake, custom headers that he built in shop class while learning how to weld (and had 4 leaks in them) and exaust with some programer and he straight up told me his car would walk on a 911 Turbo.... i looked at him :eak: , laughed, and walked away. we maxed his car out, 146mph...and it took us over a mile of road to hit it.
i also had a friend who had a fairly quick CRX which had a non vtec B18 in it...intake and exaust...he thought he could run anything in town...untill a lifted silverado with a built 350 stroked to a 383 on 35" boggers walked all over him...because all he had raced before that car cars of his kind...

Vurnakes · #52 09-17-2005, 03:08 PM

me and my son both agree that we do not like "riced" up cars. We enjoy classic muscle cars. My son (with college) has no time to work on his car and never has had much anyways, therefore moding cars is not important to him at all. I am simply looking for a fairly quick stock car that looks really good. Concerning the tiburon, it is a nice car but after driving the GTO it was quickly forgotten. I know... 400hp compared to somin small. The Tibby just didn't have enough for us to consider it. Thank you for everyone's imput, it has been most helpful. We plan on going to test drive a RX8 and a 350Z soon.

Vurnakes · #53 09-17-2005, 03:13 PM

Just to add, there is nothing wrong with "rice" it is just not me or my sons style. another question: when do mazda6speeds come out. We test drove just the Mazda6 with the 6cly and were impressed for a sedan.

kman10587 · #54 09-17-2005, 03:44 PM

They should be hitting showrooms any day now. But if he's willing to settle for an all-wheel-drive, turbocharged, four-cylinder sedan, why not just go with an '06 WRX (unless they are just that ugly to him)?

Zachp911 · #55 09-17-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vurnakes

me and my son both agree that we do not like "riced" up cars. We enjoy classic muscle cars. My son (with college) has no time to work on his car and never has had much anyways, therefore moding cars is not important to him at all. I am simply looking for a fairly quick stock car that looks really good. Concerning the tiburon, it is a nice car but after driving the GTO it was quickly forgotten. I know... 400hp compared to somin small. The Tibby just didn't have enough for us to consider it. Thank you for everyone's imput, it has been most helpful. We plan on going to test drive a RX8 and a 350Z soon.

I dont know if anyone mentioned this yet, but what about a nice Lexus IS300? They are sporty but also have luxury features too. They can easily be found for $15-$20k for a used one.

blakscorpion21 · #56 09-18-2005, 12:38 PM

yea those are realy nice.

deadbolt_35 · #57 09-18-2005, 05:32 PM

i'm surprised that there hasn't been more talk about the '05 mustang gt. it's one of the fastest cars that have been mentioned in this thread. the only cars that are faster are the gto, wrz sti and evo, all of which are more expensive. you mentioned how you and your son enjoy the classic musclecar genre. i don't see a better fit then the 'stang: gorgeous combination of retro/modern styling, 300hp rear wheel drive for well under 30k dollars.

SuperHighOutput · #58 09-18-2005, 05:34 PM

He said he doesn't want a Ford, that's why there has been no Mustang mentioned.

deadbolt_35 · #59 09-18-2005, 05:36 PM

but i also highly recommend a 3-series. i've always been a bmw fanatic. plus, four doors and a larger trunk will be VERY convienent for college. not to mention the better gas mileage and cheaper insurance

deadbolt_35 · #60 09-18-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperHighOutput

He said he doesn't want a Ford, that's why there has been no Mustang mentioned.

oops, just i realized that right after i posted, my bad.............it's still a nice car though......

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