New civic is out. What do you think?

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

its SOOOOOO ugly I wish it was more like the saturn only saving grace is its powerplant and its underpowered a good deal for its niche still running macphersons instead of full indepentant like all hondas should and used to even the base 14 year old honda like mine had that.

Honda dropped the ball only people who will buy it are honda die hards I know i can list atleat 30 other cars i rather drive then that. It has nothing to offer to the group they are selling to its slower then the rest doesn't handle as well not as cozy no prestige not the cheapest.

Honda really has been changing what they are as a company and I must say unless people follow the brand to the death *me as honda driver will say fuck no to brand loyaty* they are in trouble.

Agreed

[drftk1d]

its still on macphersons?

fuck that.

the coupe looks like a fat 1st gen solara and the sedan looks like a prius

[Gohan Ryu]

Looks are pretty mediocre...and 200hp 140tq is getting boring. When the hell is Honda going to TURBO their shit from the factory or do something else to make it stand out more? Other manufacturers are putting in turbos to bring their 4 bangers up to near 200hp - if Honda did it they'd be pushing closer to 300hp. It would be nice to see a 13 second Honda come from the factory.

[clawhammer]

Originally Posted by Gohan Ryu

Looks are pretty mediocre...and 200hp 140tq is getting boring. When the hell is Honda going to TURBO their shit from the factory or do something else to make it stand out more? Other manufacturers are putting in turbos to bring their 4 bangers up to near 200hp - if Honda did it they'd be pushing closer to 300hp. It would be nice to see a 13 second Honda come from the factory.

I'll tell you why they don't. First is cost, it simply costs more to turbocharge a car, and second is reliability. The engine that these civics have will probably go for 300k miles, as long as they're taken care of. The SRT4, Cobalt engines, even though reliable enough, will simply not go that much.

[Gohan Ryu]

Originally Posted by clawhammer

I'll tell you why they don't. First is cost, it simply costs more to turbocharge a car, and second is reliability. The engine that these civics have will probably go for 300k miles, as long as they're taken care of. The SRT4, Cobalt engines, even though reliable enough, will simply not go that much.

Well that makes sense, but if people are willing to buy a 200-250hp car that only lasts for 100k, wouldn't they be willing to buy a 300hp car that lasts 100k? I guess Honda isn't brave enough to take on that market.

[turtlecrxsi]

Originally Posted by clawhammer

I'll tell you why they don't. First is cost, it simply costs more to turbocharge a car, and second is reliability. The engine that these civics have will probably go for 300k miles, as long as they're taken care of. The SRT4, Cobalt engines, even though reliable enough, will simply not go that much.

It's exactly thoughts like this that make people think that they can try to sell a 10 year old honda with 250k miles for $10k or even a Toyota truck with 150-200k miles for $15k. Simply put, not worth the investment unless you plan on selling used cars in the future. Honestly, how many people keep their cars long after they've actually paid them off? It's a big sham. People think if they go to a dealership and buy a 2000 Civic Si with 96-115k miles for 10-12grand that they're getting a bargain. It's fucking ridiculous. If I ever finance that much on a car it'll be a brand new shitbox with every mile on it from me driving it...

[93rollaracer]

It doesn't bother me too much. I don't like the front, but no complaints from me otherwise.

[streetrcr45]

I too dislike the tail lights along with the video game like gauge cluster... the rest of the styling i like...the front looks a bit like a tl or tsx to me...

[mason_RsX]

I like the exterior looks, it looks aggressive and sporty, while still catering to the economy car market, especially in the 4 door

Interior isn't great, but I've only seen the SI's and I don't like the gague cluster...

the KA20 engine is decent in the RSX, but its like a full second slower to 60 in the SI

overall a decent job, but yeah when it gets riced up itll carry the same appeal to me

[TheStang00]

what kind of numbers does the new one put out as far as 0-60 and 1/4 mile

[Ace$nyper]

while on this topic I found this on Honda tech *can't say 100% its good sorce but just for kicks I will post*

he K-series Strikes Again
The 2006 Civic Si's K20Z3 engine is one more member of the highly exalted K-series lineup. Combining elements from a variety of other K-series engines (K20A2 style head, Euro-R RBC intake manifold, K20A3 style balance shaft, K20Z1 style camshafts, etc.), it exhibits a smooth, refined demeanor along with a typical Honda high rpm rush of power, and a typical Honda VTEC dip as well.

While nothing leads us to believe that the K20Z3 won't be just as capable in the aftermarket as other K-series engines, it does face the hurdle of a completely new ECU and drivebywire, so modifications may be a little more difficult (we'll be the first to tell you in our project car chronicles).

In the case of our particular example, the gains may be even tougher still. Take a look at the dyno results.

The lowest curve, 197.9 hub hp, was recorded in completely stock trim after a few runs. We think this is more representative of what our car will do. The next run, 204 hub hp, was recorded with a little cool down. Note that the biggest difference occurs from 7500 rpm on up. The final run of 209 hp was recorded with the airbox cover off (note the bottom end losses). While the car gets much noisier and loses the refined growl of the stock intake system, the 5+ hp gain indicates that an intake system will probably be able to pick up some noticeable power (do not drive with the cover off, with the hood closed, you'll kill power by ingesting hot air from the engine bay).

Now take a look at the AF ratios. Note how smooth they are. Also note that they are relatively close to the optimal range of 12.5-13:1. Finally, note that on most runs, with the exception of our stock 204 hp run, that the AFR goes very rich after 7000-7500 rpm.

We think there are a couple factors at play here. First of all, either Honda has underrated the new K20Z3, or we have a ringer. On the same dyno, a stock 05 RSX (rated at 210 hp on the old system) will put down around 185 hub hp. The best one we ever did (another preproduction car) put down 190 hub hp. Given how strict the new ratings systems are, we suspect we have a ringer, but we'll wait to see what other gains we get, and what production cars do. If you live in SoCal, we'll do free dynos for the first 3 production Si's that come in (310-518-4966).

The fact that the AF ratio goes rich at high rpm on virtually all runs tells us that the K20Z3 is either very temp sensitive, very knock sensitive, or both. The very flat AF curve is also unusual for a factory car (Honda or otherwise), which is one reason why we suspect a little tweaking.

Stay tuned as we begin pulling the car apart and looking for more power.


Edit: I didn't find the dnyo spoken of and most RSX-S owners with ECU reflash I/H/E lay approx 250WHP so they are assumed underated as well.

too bad its not enough to intrest buyers we honda guys just want to stuff them in our sub ton chassis

[clawhammer]

Wow 209 fwhp stock. That's pretty good, reminds me of the SRT4s.

[UnderEstimate Me]

Originally Posted by clawhammer

Wow 209 fwhp stock. That's pretty good, reminds me of the SRT4s.

Except the civic is a little piggy.
I like the car, but I personally wouldnt buy it. It doesnt really stand out, but no honda is really supposed to. It does remind me a bit of the scion tc styling but not as extreme. Nothing from the new cars is really doing much for me. New eclipse, new civic, no more celica, new 3 series. They are all kind of making me depressed. Thats it im just going to have to buy the new evo comming out it 08.

[drftk1d]

which will probably dissapoint you because it looks like some kind of ugly (concepts do at least)