It's official

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

I don't remember saying that in my last post and I haven't ever said you hate America.

My apologies if you assumed ownership of this comment.It was intended for the wider audience participating in this thread.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

It appears I've struck a nerve so I'll leave for a while and give everybody a chance to cool down.

Again, as above. I am getting heartily sick of the bullshit that some people spout when they can't handle the fact that not everone agrees with American foreign policy.It is perfectly possible to like most other aspects of America and its people without having to accept the crimes of the worthless piece of shit terrorist currently in the White House.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by taranaki

Again, as above. I am getting heartily sick of the bullshit that some people spout when they can't handle the fact that not everone agrees with American foreign policy.It is perfectly possible to like most other aspects of America and its people without having to accept the crimes of the worthless piece of shit terrorist currently in the White House.

The thing is I don't see wars as foreign policy. To me, a war is a war and that's it. Foreign policy is getting involved politically and such with countries and what they do. I agree that America's foreign policy isn't looking real good right now like in Iraq. To me, America had bad foreign policy with Iraq and that caused a war. The war isn't a part of the bad foreign policy but a result of it. This is how I see it and how it relates to my previous post.

[2strokebloke]

Who gives a damn? NK's nukes are sissy little girly nukes.
In the United States, we have enough nukes to end all existence on this planet like 40 times over - nukes are so f'n common here in the U.S. that the government just throws them away in our backyards.
We've got nukes coming out the wazoo. If NK wanted to start some shit - we could blow up the whole damn globe and kill every living thing just to show everybody how serious we are about keeping nukes out of the hands of those who might do something really foolish with them (like killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civillians).

[Muscletang]

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by DGB454

They live to hate the U.S. and anything it does good or bad.

Hit the nail on the head there bud. Anyone who criticizes our country or president, hates America. Very strong argument, and I am so glad you feel that way about your fellow Americans.

[RSX-S777]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The thing is I don't see wars as foreign policy. To me, a war is a war and that's it. Foreign policy is getting involved politically and such with countries and what they do. I agree that America's foreign policy isn't looking real good right now like in Iraq. To me, America had bad foreign policy with Iraq and that caused a war. The war isn't a part of the bad foreign policy but a result of it. This is how I see it and how it relates to my previous post.

The above post smacks of confusion and contradiction. So I will simply say this in reply: If you don't think the potential results and benefits of this so called war factored in to the government's long-term strategy regarding the Middle East and it's resources, then you are severly, severely deluded. A war is never and will never be an entity unto itself that somehow exists outside the sphere of the realm of politics. That's absolutely absurd.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by T4 Primera

When dealing with ignorance, certain distinctions should be made.

Firstly, there are people who are just plain ignorant. They do not know certain things and this is normal because everyone goes through this stage in life. Once informed of certain things, they become enlightened. Hallelujah!

Then there are willfully ignorant people. They have been presented with knowledge and choose to ignore it. There is little hope for their enlightenment for just as long as they continue to make that choice.

Good for you. At least you are beginning to recognize this. That's the first step.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by KustmAce

Hit the nail on the head there bud. Anyone who criticizes our country or president, hates America. Very strong argument, and I am so glad you feel that way about your fellow Americans.

I don't care if someone critizes the president. And I am so gald you feel the way you do about your fellow Americans there bud.

[Flatrater]

Did anyone ever consider that invading Iraq was a way to get to Iran? Now we have troops and planes at the Iran border. The US has had spy planes flying over Iran for some time now.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by RSX-S777

The above post smacks of confusion and contradiction. So I will simply say this in reply: If you don't think the potential results and benefits of this so called war factored in to the government's long-term strategy regarding the Middle East and it's resources, then you are severly, severely deluded. A war is never and will never be an entity unto itself that somehow exists outside the sphere of the realm of politics. That's absolutely absurd.

First off I was just using Iraq as an example and I think you misunderstood me. Since we were talking about America being the only country to ever use nuclear weapons other than testing reasons I pointed it was for war. Taranaki said there will be people who don't agree with America's foreign policy and I agree. To me the dropping of the nuclear bombs was done in the name of war and didn't deal with America's foreign policy at the time.

[taranaki]

I still cannot fathom the people who try to separate war and foreign policy.They are one and the same thing, unless you are at war defending your own citizens in their own towns and cities.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by taranaki

I still cannot fathom the people who try to separate war and foreign policy.They are one and the same thing, unless you are at war defending your own citizens in their own towns and cities.

Well here it is, the definition of foreign policy.

diplomatic policy of a nation in its "interactions" (keyword there, war can be interactions) with other nations

Well there it is so it can be layed to rest. What I was saying though is I thought foreign policy was more of the relation between two countries. I thought the relationship between the two countries was the foreign policy and war was a totally different thing.