Drifting=Dumb?

[Tougeman]

dom......shut up

[AErrorist]

Originally Posted by Tougeman

dom......shut up

*golf clap*

[2of9]

drifting is drifting...in my opinion, its way over rated where i live. People think they can drift in a Honda Accord....you serious and once they have a 240 or ANY rear-wheel drive car, they think they can do a drift...just like in Initial D

[DRiiFT_King]

i dont think any one on this forum has the slightest idea, when it comes to drifting, if you think that a car handles like a go kart, then your just a dumb arse, drifting here in australia, is reaching its pinicle, and people actually understand the sport, no matter what you say or how many stupid debates you try and start, drifting will always be drifting. learn a thing a two before you start judging it

[drftk1d]

Originally Posted by Dorikin

Dont let your love of drifting get in the way of the question. Think about it for a second. When people oversteer, they go into opposite lock, and essentially drift. This is to stop them from spinning. Ideally you shouldnt need opposite lock at all. Hence my theory that drifting covers up for bad grip driving. Ok, so not everyone can drift perfectly the first time, and there are alot of ass-clowns as drift days lately, but what Im saying is, in theory, you shouldnt need to drift at all to be a good driver.

What Im saying is you need skill to drift like D1 and stuff, but in reality, do you guys think drifting was invented to cover up poor racing skill.

Uh, by that same logic, isn't the countersteering (opposite lock) the cover up for bad driving rather than the drift itself? Maybe i'm not looking at this correctly but the drift isnt the cause of "bad grip driving", is it? There really isn't a distinction betwen what is drift and what is grip because one follows into the other and vice versa.

[mospeed1]

Originally Posted by dom_79003

drifting like art and the person those say that it's dumb!!!!!!.

[nightfly84]

okay pal, when you talk of drifting in races. yeah in some cases it is to cover up bad driving. i should know i've done it myself a few times. but to whoever wrote drifting and grip driving are ying and yang. i agree with you TO AN EXTENT. a person who grip races yet know how to drift can utilize this in a race. for example, hairpin turns, a person who totally relies on grip well have slow down a lot to complete a turn whereas a good "drifter" hit the turn at a pretty high speed and come out of a turn at a decent speed. but vice versa a grip driver can take a drifter on a less technical turn such as a medium to wide turn where drifting may look sweet but is really not practical. combine the two styles and learn how and when is the best time to use a technique, you become a dominate force in the racing community. and as for you aussie boy (driift king) i went to australia on one of my deployments. AUSTRALIA BY DEFINTION IS A DRIFTERS PARADISE. just about every course out there is pretty much a tech course. so gripping is pretty much useless. so don't be raggin on something you never even have to friggin use.

[kfoote]

Originally Posted by nightfly84

...for example, hairpin turns, a person who totally relies on grip well have slow down a lot to complete a turn whereas a good "drifter" hit the turn at a pretty high speed and come out of a turn at a decent speed. but vice versa a grip driver can take a drifter on a less technical turn such as a medium to wide turn where drifting may look sweet but is really not practical....

This is totally wrong.

The ONLY type of corner by itself that is faster to "drift" through is a corner with a significant decreasing radius with a high entry speed and a straight following that is not very long. And we're talking generally about 8" of drift, meaning the rear tires are tracking about 8" outside of the fronts in a RWD car, and no countersteering should be necessarry. Though entry speed is higher, exit speed is generally MUCH lower compared to when you are not "drifting". With "grip" you can get back on the power sooner and as a result be faster down the following straight. If there is a 1/2 mile straight after a corner, a 5 MPH higher exit speed will translate to a 5MPH higher speed for 1/2 mile, where the "drift" entry may get you 10 MPH faster for 100 yards.

[ac427cpe]

sliding is ALWAYS slower than using the most of your tires and taking the correct line. it may not be noticeable, it may not feel like you've slowed down a lot from drifting... but the disadvantage is there.

[Colbadol]

The way i see it is this:

In order to grip at your limits you have to know where they are, and the only way to know where your limits are is to exceed them.

simple as that. Drifting is exceeding the cars limits in grip. Therefor learning how to drift and balance these limits would make you a better grip driver.

And yes, the fastest way through a corner is by drifting. Those f1 cars oversteer and slide. Sure, its only like 1 degree, but its still the fastest way. Super high angle style drift is definately slower, and i think that it takes a tuned race car to see any gains from sliding in a corner.

[Suislide]

"i drift not because it is the fastest way through a corner, but because it is the most fun way."

Keiichi Tsuchiya.


i think that's what it all comes down to. you say that drift drivers are covering up for bad driving. well then, why are alot of them very competitive in other forms of motorsport as well? Taniguchi drives in JGTC as well as other forms, and i'm sure many other drifters that are on the D1 circuit happily participate in other forms of motorsport.

drifting is FUN. but just because it is FUN and isn't the fastest way around a track doesn't mean it doesn't take skill.

you say tandem drifting right beside someone in 3rd gear WITHOUT hitting them only takes months of practise? alright then. i'll give you a car, give you three months, and see if you can do it. i guarantee you, you will not be able to. sure, getting the basic fundamentals of drifting only takes a few months. but fine-tuning them and honing them takes years. take a look at any driver on the pro circuit right now. all of the ones at the top have been doing what they do for YEARS now.


in order to keep a car sideways for that long, skill is involved and lots of it. you have to make minute movements to keep the car at the right angle. if they truly were very bad drivers, they would simply spin out and not drift at all.

clutch kicking, shift locking, power over. as simple as all these techniques may sound, they are just the opposite.

come on derek, you've seen the videos. driving while sitting on your door, doing donuts, while still managing not to hit anything (let's leave Asamoto at DX2 out of this example though ) takes skill.

like every motorsport, drifting uses DIFFERENT skills. that is why maybe, to some, it seems dumb. it utilizes techniques that, in other motorsports, would spell failure and loss. but in drifting, with these techniques, you will win. THEREFORE, drifting is NOT bad driving at all. it is simply utilizing a different set of techniques in order to be successful in this motorsport. it's all about adaptation. and if you get a driver who can adapt to something like that, if anything that shows a GOOD driver, not a bad one.

i know you're going through a phase where you think drift is dumb derek, but just because your opinions are changing doesn't mean you have to take everyone else with you too!

[kman10587]

This is one of the best threads I've read in a while. Anyways, I think you're looking too much into this, Dorikin. Drifting is not about anything besides drifting. That's the whole point of it. It is its own sport; it's not related to anything else. If you don't find drifting fun or exciting (I sure don't), then yeah, it seems pointless, but you still have to respect it for what it is, and respect the drivers who can do it as well as they do.

[DeathDrifter]

I hate straight road racer...no skills!!!Just used their machine on the straight way..wahahahha..what a dumb...(lifts hiss foot on the throttle like an idiot) ....

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