modest performance, modest insurance, less than 20k$, does it exist?

[NerveAgent]

I say maxima. IT HAULS.

[landshark155mph]

Originally Posted by kman10587

Ignore that guy, he suggests the Tiburon in every thread he posts in. The Tiburon is heavy, unreliable, and bad on gas mileage. Forget about it.

ya you need to get your facts straight.

[kman10587]

ya you need to get your facts straight.

And you need to present a coherent argument to me, consisting of more than one line, why I'm full of shit.

[aznxthuggie]

probably a sciot tc wit a supercharger, faster than the corolla xrs, and much more reliable than the spec v

[lucki17]

Originally Posted by aznxthuggie

probably a sciot tc wit a supercharger, faster than the corolla xrs, and much more reliable than the spec v

or just get a maxima and supercharge/turbo that and be hell of alot faster than ether one.

also just out of curiosity, why did you sell your DEH-P860MP? i have the cheaper 8600 and i think it kicks ass, did it break or somthing?

[landshark155mph]

Originally Posted by kman10587

And you need to present a coherent argument to me, consisting of more than one line, why I'm full of shit.

i don't argue. i just state common sense. go look up your facts before you start preaching, but here you go. first the tib is not unreliable. read this. http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...tm?POE=MONISVA

i get about 20-25 mpg on average. which isn't bad. considering i'm modded.

but i understand its still a hyundai. and will always be a hyundai.

[kman10587]

It weighs 3000 pounds (which is ridiculous for a sport compact), so it has to use a V6 engine to get good acceleration times, which in turn hurts its gas mileage. The handling isn't all that great for this class, either. I won't argue reliability; I realize that the Koreans are improving, but they're still nowhere near the Japanese, IMO.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by kman10587

I won't argue reliability; I realize that the Koreans are improving, but they're still nowhere near the Japanese, IMO.

hell, i think they are just as good as japanese. they cant be too unreliable if all hyundai's come with a 10 year powertrain warantee plus other warantees that cover just about everything under the sun.

i dont really know the waranty's on hondas by heart. so i looked them up on their website and i came across a 3 year/45,000 mile warranty for the civic and a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty for the RSX.

im not saying this makes honda's unreliable by all means, but hyundai does offer a better warranty so obviously they believe that what they make is reliable and will last.

just my

[S2CorollaR]

Thanks for all the heads up guys.

In reply to the Turbo Buick:

Two things. One, I am looking for something with potential to do well on the track as well, not just the strip. I'm not from the mid west, where only straight line speed counts :P

Two, I am looking for something made in the last 5 years that I can get financed, because I only have about 2500-3000 cash on me but I make enough a month to handle the payments.

In reply to the Nissan suggestions: As much as an SR20DET swap makes me drool, I want something that I won't have to worry about visual tests or registration in regards to. let's put it this way, if I get a car that will have a swapped motor, I want my insurance company to know about it and insure it because I live in California, and yes, I know that insurance will rocket a lot if I have a swapped engine worth over 2,000 dollars, but paying 30 bucks more a month to have my motor insured, is a lot better than waking up one day with my hood broken and having nothing to make up for it.

Like I said, I'm going financed, and if I don't go financed, I'll probably go Civic Swap.... I know it's done a lot and played out a lot but frankly, I don't see any other way to get good gas milage and mid to low 15's for less than 3000 dollars that's legal in the state of California.

[S2CorollaR]

Oh and in reply to the Hyundai:

It defeats one of the big variables I listed: Gas milage.

20-25 MPG is terrible man!! Even S2000's get better gas milage than that, and I'd have an easier time getting a chick into an S2000 than in a Tiburon, I don't care what body kit you have

And no offense, but 3000 pounds is incredibly heavy for a FWD car. In RWD cars at least the weight distribution and handling makes up for the weight (depending on the car we're talking about), but when it's FWD you'll already have trouble with steering on courses, and add a heavy stock weight and you'll run into some conflictions.

[Polygon]

If you want my honest opinion then I can tell you that you can have your cake and eat it too. However, the car I am going to suggest is an older car and is extremely hard to find. I know you said you didn't want a later model car but I am still going to throw this out there because, if you can find one for sale, you can find a great condition car that will cost you between $3,000 and $6,000. For that price it will be in mint condition with low miles and will drive tight just like a newer car. Most will say I'm biased, and I really am, but I would suggest buying a 1989 Chrysler LeBaron GTC Turbo II or a 1990 LeBaron GTC Turbo IV. I have owned two 89s and one 90.

The 1990 GTC has a nicer looking interior than the 1989 model year so some people like them more. However, they only made 123 of the hardtop Turbo IV GTCs in 1990 making them rather hard to find let alone for sale. The only differences between the 89 TII and the 90 TIV mechanically are that the TII used a Garrett T03 ball bearing intercooled turbo while the Turbo IV used a Garrett VNT 25 ball bearing, intercooled, variable nozzle turbo. The Turbo IV used balance shafts while the Turbo II did not. Performance, gas mileage, and insurance will be pretty much the same for the two. The only thing that should really help you make your decision on which one you want is the interior and how much faster you want to make the car. The Turbo II is much easier to work on, has more aftermarket support, and can be made to much faster much easier than the Turbo IV. So if you plan to run 12s or faster then the Turbo II is the way to go. If you want to stay stock or run around the 12s then the Turbo IV is fine.

As far as performance goes you can expect most of these cars to run in the mid to low 15s. My first 89 TII GTC ran a 14.6 @ 98 MPH and it was dead stock on street radials. However, for about $2,000 or less you can be running in the 12s. Both of my 89s weigh about 2,800 pounds. They get around 30 MPG as long as you don't floor it all the time. Insurance is about $80 per month for full coverage because the car is considered a luxury car. Personally I think they are a great looking car and they don't give you a boy racer image. Not to mention they don't attract much attention from the police and they make great sleepers. They are also very reliable cars if you keep the oil changed and let the turbo cool before you shut off the car. I've never had a problem with mine that was because of my own stupidity. Also, they don’t handle bad either and have a good set of brakes.

If you're interested let me know and I can give you more details. You can look at both of my 89 TII GTCs by clicking the links in my sig. The red one was my first one which was totaled in an accident. The silver one is my current project car. I only paid $600 for it, so just imagine what a $3,000+ example will get you. However, like I said, these cars are rare and are hard to find at all let alone for sale.

If you're not interested then good luck in your search.

[S2CorollaR]

You know what...

I am interested.

I know that car isn't a car that will get me laid every weekend... But I don't think that's what I'm looking for. I want a car that wants me and to be honest... I think being a college student, I won't be pulled over just for breathing oxygen if I'm driving a LeBaron. Despite what people say, I know Chrysler is a very good reliable company, and the fact that this car has been around for so many years, I'm sure I won't suffer from having a bad lemon on new parts.

Alright guys I've decided, thanks for all the heads ups. I think being 21, employed and going to school, I shouldn't dopple myself with car payments and the risk of getting my car broken into.

[WESLEY PIPES]

Originally Posted by S2CorollaR

I kind of wanted to avoid V6's, but yeah I know the Tiburon responds well to mods. I love how they look stock too, but insurance/gas milage are my big leaners right now.

Question, is there an exhaust for GSR that wouldn't be ridiculously loud?

:EDIT:

Yeah... I think the Mazdaspeed is really nice, the problem is it's hard to get a black one, which is kind of the color I'm leaning toward.

To be honest I rate the Mazdaspeed above the GSR because it's not as common and handles like a dream, stock.

MAYBE I CAN HELP YOU A LITTLE. I JUST SOLD MY CELICA GT-S AND BOUGHT A '04 ION REDLINE. I CAN TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP THE ION IS 10X QUICKER THAN MY CELICA WAS. MY PAYMENT IS LOWER,MY INS. IS LOWER AND I HAVE A BRAND NEW SUPERCHARGED CAR FOR UNDER 20K. WITH IT BEING THE END OF THE YEAR, I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU CAN GET A DEAL ON ONE. I WORK FOR SATURN AND ENDED UP GETTING MINE FOR $17,600 W/ 0 PERCENT FINANCING. INSURANCE COMPANY'S LOVE SATURNS FOR THEIR CRASH RATING AND THE POLYMER PANLES. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU AT LEAST GO DRIVE ONE. IF YOU WANNA GO UNCOMMON, THIS IS A GOOD CHOICE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE ON THE ROAD SINCE I BOUGHT MINE. I GOT THE BLACK ONE ALSO.

[WESLEY PIPES]

THE REDLINE IS RATED @ 205 HP AT THE FLYWHEEL. GM HAS SOME HOW FOUND A WAY TO KEEP THE POWER FROM THE FLYWHEEL TO THE WHEELS. IT'S 197HP @ THE WHEELS. WITH A LSD COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND EATON'S PLANS FOR A BIGGER BLOWER, THE DREAMS ARE ENDLESS. YOU CAN PUMP OUT ALOT OF POWER IN THE 2.0 ECOTECH ENGINE. LOOK AT LISA KUBO, SHE SWITCHED FROM A HONDA HATCH, TO AN ION. AND SHE'S RUNNIN 9'S ALL DAY LONG. CRAZY MAN.



2004 SATURN ION REDLINE, BONE STOCK.
NEAR FUTURE: BIGGER WHEELS,LSD,BIGGER BLOWER.

[S2CorollaR]

Stop yelling at me, I'm sensitive