Clutch engage point..

[Vtec95Civic]

What changes the engage point on the clutch pedal? My friend has a modded out GS with all kinds of things in it, one thing I noticed is he barely has to push in the clutch to shift.. is there a mod that moves it up/down?

I also noticed it in F&F, as much as people don't like that movie and it's filled with inaccuracies.. I just didn't know if that was one of them. Sorry if my question seems stupid to everyone.

[JoeWagon]

master cylinder clutch adjustment rod

i dont understand what you are saying about F&F. the clutch pedal in the movie is hardly something to worry about.

[Vtec95Civic]

I was just noting, in the beginning of the movie, when he's testing the eclipse.. in the movie he barely has to press on the clutch.. I didn't know if it was a movie mistake or whether it was actually possible for faster shifting.

[97_3clipse]

i have to push my clutch pedal all the way down to the floor to shift....

[joemathews]

When racing, you obviously only want to put the clutch pedal in enough to disengage the clutch. Any distance past this point is unnecessary time lost.

For instance, if you only have to put the pedal 1/2 way down to disengage the clutch, that's where you should shift. That way, when you're ready to get back on the throttle, you only have to raise the pedal 1/2 way.

If you decide to push it all the way down, it takes twice as long to engage and disengage the clutch, which means you lose valuable power and time.

[97_3clipse]

i dont decide to push it all the way down... i have too, it disengages when the pedal is aobut an inch from the floor....

[Technical_Automan]

The pedal is adjustable, get under there and look. All you should need is a wrench to change the freeplay, the less freeplay there is the less you have to push it down. If I remember right you're supposed to adjust it after a certain number of miles, b/c you're not supposed to have to push it all the way to the floor before it disengages.

[joemathews]

Originally Posted by 97_3clipse

i dont decide to push it all the way down... i have too, it disengages when the pedal is aobut an inch from the floor....

Yeah, I know--I wasn't trying to blame you

Just, in general, the less you have to push in the clutch pedal, the quicker you can shift if racing. So a higher engage/disengage point means less pedal travel, and time pushing it .

[Vtec95Civic]

I know you only have to push it to the engage point to shift. But it looked like it was a lot less pedal pushing than stock. I was just wondering how you changed it.. because I love shifting as fast as possible.

[kjewer1]

The rod at the pedal is NOT for adjsuting the engagement height. But I'll admit I sometimes use it for that when i shouldnt. That rod is to set how far back the rod in the master comes. Thread it out to far and you block the return port and the pedal will "pump up" as you drive. You can thread it in fiurther (to move pedal lower) but you are not going to improve clutch feel and you will be covering up what is really wrong.

If the pedal is too high and there is some freeplay, the clutch is probably worn, or the step height is incorrect. If there is zero freeplay, the rod may be too far out and the master is pumped up.

I like my pedal to be about 2" off the floor. If its too high it can slip under high power, and if its too low you can miss shifts and wear out synchros.

[Technical_Automan]

Shifting as fast as you can breaks your synchros...that's why you're supposed to double-clutch.

[joemathews]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

Shifting as fast as you can breaks your synchros...that's why you're supposed to double-clutch.

But after all, isn't racing all about breaking parts anyway?

[97_3clipse]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

Shifting as fast as you can breaks your synchros...that's why you're supposed to double-clutch.

wait i thought double clutching was down shifting? guess i gotta read the FAQ agian...

[EclipseBabe95]

true double clutching is putting the clutch in, putting it in neutral, letting the clutch out, pushing the clutch in, putting the engine at appropriate rpm, and then putting it in gear and letting the clutch out again. i love double clutching it feels good

[kjewer1]

Originally Posted by Technical_Automan

Shifting as fast as you can breaks your synchros...that's why you're supposed to double-clutch.

Please don't polute this forums with this bullshit. We finally got past the F&F stage in recent months. Double clutching is for non-synchromesh transmissions, on the downshift. Thanks again.