CAI vs SRI vs V2

[SiGNAL748]

if he was smart, he'd know this was an integra forum...you know..people with integras? people who buy INTEGRA parts for their INTEGRAS

[CivicSpoon]

Originally Posted by crazy_canuck

Alright, you called me out on this, saying i'm pulling stuff out of my ass and all that, so here it comes assclown:

As mmont0 mentioned, i'm talking about peak gain. Not the area under the curve on the dyno as that's just too hard to calculate.

Exhibit A:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/intaketest.html

Stock Airbox vs. Injen CAI = 12.5hp difference
AEM SRI Vs. Injen CAI = 8.1hp difference. So i'm a whole 1.9whp off on THIS dyno which is 5900 feet above sea level.

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Exhibit B:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/dyno/...s/cjmrsxs1.jpg
DynoRun 004 and 003 are with an Injen CAI and Borla Exhaust, 002 and 001 are stock.

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Numero trois:
http://performance.clubrsx.com/dyno.html

Just browse through and get owned a few more times. I don't feel like innumerating everything in there when its already indexed.


I'm gonna stop right here. I think that's enough proof to show that i'm not pulling stuff out of my ass and that you are yet another one with no clue about what they're talking about.

And anything else that I could say has already been said by mmont0. Thanks, man

Ok well first off the first link you gave has dynos or stock and then with added intakes and aftermarket intake manifolds on most. There was 1 dyno run I saw that had 13hp added, I will give you that.
Second one has (what you admitted) an upgraded intake and exhaust.
Third one shows nothing more than 6.x hp gain so you've still yet to prove your point.
Seems like someone needs to get a little more informed when they clain they're "owning" someone. At least do a better job instead of making yourself look like more of a jackass. You've shown 1 example that proved me incorrect. And I already understood I was wrong when mmont0 was nice enough to explain it to me. So all you've done is to prove that you're a tool and have done little to convince me.

[crazy_canuck]

Yup, i'm the tool here.


First link - stock intake manifolds. Both the "stock" and the intake'd car had new spark plugs and a magnaflow exhaust.

The second link, yes it had an exhaust, but does the exhaust really give 20 extra whp?

Third link, there were multiple dynos, dunno why, can't access the link right now so i'll reply about that later.

I can't really find anymore proof because most dyno's have CAI's and other mods and very few people have done baselines and then a dyno with a CAI.

However, its very obvious that the K20A2 has the potential for a 10hp+ gain with an intake and a 10hp difference between the SRI and CAI. If you can get about 25hp with just an exhaust and a CAI, then what i've said is certainly possible.

[mmont0]

Well, there used to be a sticky in the N/A section of crsx with lots of good dynos before the mod stepped down and took the post off. It did have dynos of guys that only went from stock to CAI and stock to SRI.

The information on those dynos is why I chose to go the SRI route. I didn't want to take the risk of hydrolock, even though this is a minimal risk, over the few extra hp that the CAI gives you and they had a sale on SRI's which made it 1/4 the price of a CAI. I can deal with heatsoak better than I can deal with a dead engine. The other factor that steered me towards the SRI is the ease of installation. I didn't want to deal with taking bumpers off and relocating wiper fluid bottles.

Edit: CivicSpoon - it looks like they moved the dynos from that post to this link - http://performance.clubrsx.com/dyno.html. It contains some stock vs. cai/sri dynos but not all that I saw when the sticky was available.

[mmont0]

Originally Posted by SiGNAL748

if he was smart, he'd know this was an integra forum...you know..people with integras? people who buy INTEGRA parts for their INTEGRAS

Integra forum? Oh, yeah I guess it is! It's too bad us RSX guys don't feel like sifting through all these integra posts to find pertinent information for our cars.

Edit: Man, I've been out of it for quite a while! Didn't even realize they put us back in our own forum! Whoohooo!

[Xtreme_098]

This is so old it should be closed. Whoever would say the Short Ram Intake is better than a Cold Air Intake should go back to their pokemon cards and leave this stuff to people who know.

A SRI lets in HOT air (It's closer to the ENGINE). The CAI is usually relocated to a COLDER area. Studies across America say cold air is good when your engine is producing hot air. Sometimes this may not be right, but in my experience thats what I have concluded.

[luvinimports]

ok Pichaucu thats ure choice but short ram's wont ruin your motor, newayz the whole concept of cold air is a some what finicky concept because once moving at speed above more than say 20mph the hot air produced by your engine is getting sucked down and out of the engine bay and the air being inducted by a cold air is the same temp as abient. inless stop'd or barely crusing, this is why dynos show CAI's making better gains, and also in regards to integras the following fact is true but not to a huge OMG degree. the longer pipe required to relocate your intake to the fender restrics the air flow at higher RPM's. im not sure but i think the V2 doesn't have this problem because of the way its design'd and i mean i had both on my GSR and i think short ram made it run so much better. the cold air when i get up toward 7.5-8K it'd make this like vibrating resonance noise in the filter and the amount of power would sorta slack off but when i took off the cold air peice and ran short ram it sounded better and pull'd well up to redline

[MR2Driver]

Wow, I shoulda come back to this thread before I could defend myself, looks like my points were already made for me. To Crazy Canuck:

1. I frequent the Integra boards because if you checked my sig, I used to own one. Even if you didnt, and I didnt, where does it say anywhere that if you own a particular brand of car, you're required to stay in your Make's section? If I get a Chevy does that mean I can only visit the Toyota boards 1/2 as often... Honestly you came off as a jerk when I was making a very simple point, that you backed up to your reply to the rebuttle of your scewed dyno plots.

A 10 HP difference between a SRI and a Cold air. Perhaps K-Series tuning has changed alot since I frequented ClubRSX (I still post there, just not since summer I think...) But thats a HUGE number to claim on an intake, in difference, im not even talking from stock or not.

You're post might lead anyone/everyone to believe that if they get a CAI their RSX-S will gain, was it 12 HP that i saw? I mean, forget the dyno, go with the butt dyno and what some guy said on a message board.

And its sad because most of the posters on AF get their opinions/facts/ideas from uneducated posts, and the nonsense proliferates like propaghanda among the little "Boy Racer" circles and I have to spend my afternoon at the gas station because some kid thinks his B16 is more highly tuned than the Mclaren's V12 because it makes more "HP per Liter"

(And please refrain from calling AF members "Ass Clowns" or "Tools" when trying to make a point. Name calling doesnt make you look any smarter, it makes you look immature, and last time I checked, Slander was a lil more against the rules than say, me posting here. But then again, the years of tuning experience, and the right to spread my opinions here was lost the moment I got a Toyota, right?)