something to ask yourself

[werwolf-23]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon..._20020316.html

I'd like the dollar in US currency please.

Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal -- that's the point of the question. I personally believe the reason there's no pictures of the plane itself is because nobody had a camera handy when a jetliner whipped into the Pentagon at 600mph...

It would be very difficult to kill him. Slamming a plane into a small target that blends in with the rest of the buildings is not an easy thing to do (as most people have a hard time training for this)

Carbombs, suicide bombers, kamikaze guys with AK-47s, anything could happen -- they weren't supposed to know what was going on. I personally think that, when the country's under attack by terrorists in a bunch of places and nobody's really sure what's going on, as a SS agent, I'd probably get the Prez on Air Force One as fast as possible, just in case.

Shocked that nobody got fired over that... I mean, once the photo-op was done Dubya was on AF1 getting shuttled from undisclosed location to undisclosed location -- that's what's SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!

My mistake. Its clear we need to know where he was. By the way, where was Clinton at the time of the attack? Jimmy Carter? Ford? If the question is to insinuate that the Bin Laden family shouldn't be allowed to do business because of what their son has done, then once again it shows the angle of the questions.

... We're still missing the point here -- the idea is not to insinuate anything, but rather to inspire the reader to go find out the answer for themself, and then wonder why our media hasn't asked ANY of these questions.

So what? The point of me putting that question there was to point out how loaded they were and the bias of the person(s) who wrote it. Rephrasing the question doesn't change that fact.

How is it loaded? Why, after we still haven't caught Osama Bin Laden, the guy who apparently is responsible for the worst attack on American soil, killing 3,000 innocent civilians, has the task force been dissolved? There's no slant here! It's a valid question and one the media IS NOT ASKING.

"I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."(President Bush, Press Conference,
3/13/02)

Lastly, for carrrnuttt, I'm not up any ladder and this isn't a competition. I'm ony pointing out how loaded the questions are. I've made that point. I'm not here to argue each and every question. The fact you dislike Bush isn't lost and you're acting as a cheerleader/instigator is not becoming.

Agreed on the ladder, absolutely. I disagree entirely on the 'loaded' angle -- they're not. And yes, I dislike Bush. Much more than I dislike Kerry, for one reason: Bush is the guy responsible. If Kerry gets in and does the same stuff, a year from now I'll looking on the Bush days with nostalgia, just as I am with the godawful presidency of Clinton..

[driftu]

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Is funny that even those loaded questions get answers, but because its not what some want to hear, they get dissmissed. The one about the plane at the pentagon. I posted a link (google for many more), theres a picture of part of the plane. Instead of hearing "Ok. That answers that question." I expect to hear the usual "where's the rest of it" or the term planted gets bantied around.

I'm not opposed to questions about what happened and seeing if more can be done to help with preventing further attacks. The questions posed on that page had little to nothing to do with that. They were designed to indicate that the Bush family had specific information about this specific attack and not only did nothing about it, they were will willing participants.

So what exactly is so bad about these questions, Yogs? You call them loaded, only because they form a pretty good web of conjecture. If it has no grounding in reality, it should be very easy to shoot holes in it, right?

[YogsVR4]

The point of a loaded question is that the answer is exactly what the person posing the question wants.

As with most loaded questions, after its been answered someone comes back with either the "but ...." or repharse the question, as seen by "Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal" When the question was "Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?" Is it up to the everyone to pick out what details they want from the question? Did they mean a picture of the plane slamming into the building (as it appears werwolf-23 thought it meant)? Did it mean pictures of debris from after the crash? Did it means pictures of the plane after it was built? Loaded with passengers? Taking off? Gee, its all so clear

[werwolf-23]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

The point of a loaded question is that the answer is exactly what the person posing the question wants.

As with most loaded questions, after its been answered someone comes back with either the "but ...." or repharse the question, as seen by "Oh, c'mon. That's no more a picture of a plane than a French Fry is a Happy Meal" When the question was "Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?" Is it up to the everyone to pick out what details they want from the question? Did they mean a picture of the plane slamming into the building (as it appears werwolf-23 thought it meant)? Did it mean pictures of debris from after the crash? Did it means pictures of the plane after it was built? Loaded with passengers? Taking off? Gee, its all so clear

... I think you're running with a different definition of 'loaded question' than I am, and further, again missing the general idea of the questions. The questions, again, are not meant to insinuate anything. They are meant to inspire people to research what happened on 9/11 for themselves and not trust the same media which was telling us all about Saddam's WMD back in `03... The facts you will find when you do some looking on your own will bother you, and possibly lead you to suspect certain people who have so far escaped blame, but not the questions.

A plane (we'll interpret that as an airplane, not as a surface) is a plane. The question does not ask for pictures of debris, or components of the plane, or passengers on the plane, or any other thing but pictures or video of the plane itself. That's, ah, why the question says

"Why were there no photos or videos of the Pentagon plane?"

and not

"Why were there no photos or videos of debris, a burning building, and a crushed taxi?"

[Flatrater]

Yanno the internet is a wonderful thing, look long enough and you can find a sentence to support any position you want no matter if it is true or not! Just because it is in print doesn't make it true. All the time I see this web site that web site states this or that but when it comes to using a news web site they are slanted. WTF I mean these little assed piece of shit web sites put up my upset littler whiners has more credbility with some here then say FOX news for one.