Discuss amongst yourselves

[91300zxtt]

yes it still happened no question it happened. you still said that aliens interferred and erased our minds that doesnt mean it never happened.

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

Ok, I have a question, so you kill the hermit, burry the body, and get the concussion and forget... but somehow the body isn't there, then did it happen?
If some superpowerful Alien force erased today from everyone's [the entire human population] memory and reversed any permanent effects of that day, then did it happen... yes and know, depending on what you belive.

Explain what happened to the body, then we'll talk.

Yes and "know". LOL..

[91300zxtt]

Originally Posted by boingo82

Yes and "know". LOL..

haha its ok we have all made mistakes like that before.

[Joseph1082]

what I was getting at, if the day is completely erased from our memories and from the world (all effects of this day are reverted) The world wakes up wednesday, and everything is how they left it monday night. Did it happen, well, there is no way to proove it, so it is really up to you to decide

[Gloriahusk]

So if you killed the hermit and forgot you did it...does it really matter that the hermit is dead?
Or that the girl was raped?...what you are really talking about is erasing your conscience not your memory...if no one has a memory about the incident then no one would care about the hermit...Did it happen?
Yes it happened...just because you got a concussion and you forgot that you did it doesn't erase the fact that "matter" ceases to exist the DNA still points to the crime....
....and on a lighter note if I'm guessing right the Alien story won't work and the cops might be at your door any day now.......(Ha Ha)

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

what I was getting at, if the day is completely erased from our memories and from the world (all effects of this day are reverted) The world wakes up wednesday, and everything is how they left it monday night. Did it happen, well, there is no way to proove it, so it is really up to you to decide

Until you can make up a scenario where that could possibly happen, I am not considering this. I made up a scenario where MY case was proven, you ought to do the same.
Otherwise I'm not responding to this "Well if Aliens attacked and somehow 4=7 and somehow everything reverted and the sun enveloped the earth.." bs. If you can't even fabricate an imaginary scenario where your idea (all evidence being erased) then it's not worth thinking about.

[Joseph1082]

Obviously this is all hypothetical anyway... I don't understand your comments toward me... I am a very deep philosophical thinker and thought poeple would enjoy stretching their brains... my scenario boils down to a philosophical argument, it all depends on what side of the fence you are on.

[boingo82]

You know what, go read the book "Timequake" by Kurt Vonnegut.

[Gloriahusk]

Study: False Memories Easily Implanted
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 17, 2003

[About new Elisabeth Loftus' research]

DENVER (AP) -- Remember that wonderful day when Bugs Bunny hugged you at Disneyland? A new study shows just how easy it can be to induce false memories in the minds of some people.

More than a third of subjects in the study, presented Sunday, recalled that theme-park moment -- impossible because Bugs is not a Disney character -- after a researcher planted the false memory.

Other research, of people who believed they were abducted by space aliens, shows that even false memories can be as intensely felt as those of real-life victims of war and other violence.

The research demonstrates that police interrogators and people investigating sexual-abuse allegations must be careful not to plant suggestions into their subjects, said University of California-Irvine psychologist Elizabeth Loftus. She presented preliminary results of recent false memory experiments Sunday at the national meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Loftus said some people may be so suggestible that they could be convinced they were responsible for crimes they didn't commit. In interrogations, "much of what goes on -- unwittingly -- is contamination,'' she said.

The news media's power of suggestion also can leave a false impression, Loftus said.

"During the Washington sniper attacks, everyone reported seeing a white van,'' she said. "Where did it come from? The whole country was seeing white vans.''

Loftus is one of the country's most controversial memory researchers. She frequently draws harsh criticism from victims' advocates, attorneys and other scientists.

Over 25 years, she has examined more than 20,000 subjects and written 19 books. She appears frequently in court as an expert witness.

While some recovered memories turn out to be true, Loftus says her experiments repeatedly show that memories are fragile possessions that are easily manipulated. But she does not condemn her subjects for being gullible.

Of adopting false memories, she said: "This behavior is entirely normal.''

A key, researchers said, is to add elements of touch, taste, sound and smell to the story.

In the Bugs Bunny study, Loftus talked with subjects about their childhoods and asked not only whether they saw someone dressed up as the character, but also whether they hugged his furry body and stroked his velvety ears. In subsequent interviews, 36 percent of the subjects recalled the cartoon rabbit.

In another study, Loftus suggested frog-kissing incidents that 15 percent of the group later recalled.

"It is sensory details that people use to distinguish their memories,'' said Loftus. "If you imbue the story with them, you'll disrupt this memory process. It's almost a recipe to get people to remember things that aren't true.''

In other research presented Sunday, Harvard University psychologist Richard McNally tested 10 people who said they had been abducted, physically examined and sexually molested by space aliens.

Researchers tape-recorded the subjects talking about their memories. When the recordings were played back later, the purported abductees perspired and their heart rates jumped.

McNally said three of the 10 subjects showed physical reactions "at least as great'' as people suffering post traumatic stress disorder from war, crime, rape and other violent incidents.

"This underscores the power of emotional belief,'' McNally said.

:So would this mean that you were told that you had forgotten...but really didn't...only lead to believe that you had forgotten?:

[Gloriahusk]

PRAVDA.R U
Translated into english by: Andrey Nesterov
03/06/2004 16:37
Men With No Memory (http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/...23_memory.html)

American writer Alfred Bester in his novel "Man with no face" describes future when mankind became merciful enough to abolish prisons and death penalty.

People of future take away the criminal"s memory, and in this way the personality which committed the crime is wiped out. Such a person has to live anew, with no past. The writer could hardly imagine that his fantasies would be implemented in Russia even before the beginning of the third millennium.

On June 5, 2000 "Vzglyad" (Outlook) TV program broadcast sensational news: in Kaluga region four people with no memories of their past, had been found. These people could not remember anything: their names, relatives, places of residency or work.

One of them was "in luck": after the TV program broadcast, his wife and mother identified him. But after returning to his family, this man could remember nothing. He recognized nobody.

Another man with lost memory hardly avoided death: he was walking along the railroad while the train was approaching. New life for this man started in the police station in the city of Novosibirsk. He had neither personal belongings nor ID. 썷ever, people with no memory did not lose professional skills. "Sergey" (this name was given to him by doctors) said to a local newspaper reporter that he could do computer programmer"s work and develop software in any language, he also had proficiency in English. The man said he did not know the city of Novosibirsk and had no idea how he had arrived in the city. Psychiatrists said that in all other parameters Sergey"s health was perfect.

Another man started his new life on the bench in the park of city Kharkov, Ukraine. He had no ID. Ukrainian police said that "Ivan" (the name the policemen gave to the man) arrived in Kharkov by Moscow-Crimea train. The man did not speak the Ukrainian language, and had a 100-rouble bill in his pocket. Because of this, the policemen decided he was Russian. He could not answer the questions where he was from and what his name was. Ukrainian policemen decided to send Ivan to Moscow.

The chief of the hospital where Ivan was having medical examination, discovered that the man knew computers very well. The hospital chief"s friend, a computer programmer, said that Ivan knew computers much better than he did. Moreover, it was discovered that Ivan had been working in Germany for some time. Unfortunately, the police had no interest to the man after handing him to doctors, and hospital chief"s friend told the local TV reporter about the man. The reporter showed Ivan in a TV program. Two days later Ivan disappeared.


Real Life Matrix? http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/policestatemind.html

[fajita23200]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

I was thinking it was a reverse Ground Hogs Day

That's one of my favorite movies, I'm still looking for it on dvd.

[chaser29]

I remember everything. I use my memory as a reminder. Experience. Positive & Neg events.
Though, remembering some things really sucks, but it is just that of a memory.

Survived, moved on to better upcoming memories, hopefully...