Help!!!!!! Huge Decision!!!!!!

[ghostchild316]

Dont tell me you think the SR20DET and the VG30DETT way the same do you?
He would make the car alot lighter and still get to run his precious SR20

[Broke_as_****]

Okay...so he loses maybe 150-200 lbs...and loses about 100-150 horsepower or more...has to do alot of custom fab to fit a smaller engine into the car...again, that would be a huge step back no matter how it was done...and I don't think of the SR and VG as anywhere near the same...the VG is in a whole other category above the SR.

[SHO411]

That is the dumbest thing I've heard, take a VG out and replace w/ an SR. See when topsecret replaced the 2JZE with that 4cyl it was cuz the cars were not daily drivers so the block was still putting out like 700hp which you can get with a 2JZ but the 4cyl had a better weight setting and at 200mph it is balance you need more than power. Never will an SR be in the same class as a VG.
And by the way, the VG weighs just a little more than an SR it is aluminum isn't it??? 120-200lbs more, thats not bad, just leave your chunky girl at home when you are going to the strip, simple as that.

[Broke_as_****]

I think I was the one who caused the misconception that the VG was a alum block, its Iron, and I apologize, you start thinking about alum heads and intake pelnums...anyway...the SR is alum so it is probably 150-250 lbs lighter...or about there...I really don't know but I'll see if I can find out...but its not nearly enough that it makes up for the VGs much higher intial and long term potential. As it has been said:

Never will an SR be in the same class as a VG.

But...

200mph it is balance you need more than power

Well you need an ass load of power to get there and really you can go crazy with a 2 liter but really the bigger the engine the better. That really just proves that Top Secret has alot of time and money on their hands...I wish I did too...

[zdude]

so...broke, yeah, ya owned me on that one.

anyway, i heard the 300 handled like a boat, and figured since a 240 has near perfect weight ratio, and a pretty good susp. setup from the factory, that it would handle better than a z. i have never drivin a z, i could have, but the guy said i couldnt cuz i had a wet suit on, which i can completely understand. the thing had near 500 hp when he did the final tune up on the engine. twin turbo etc etc. he even had spare cash to throw a 4000 watt system in there, two aluminum 1000 watt 12's in the back powered by 3 amps, then 2 600 watt 3-ways up front, plus about 4 or 5 more speakers spread around the car. i didnt even get to sit in the car cuz of my suit, damn, wish i didnt go swimming. in the end, he put over 20 grand into that car, plus the 30 grand he paid for it new back in 95. then my uncle has his z, which is honestly the best looking stock 85 z i have ever seen. mint, and i mean MINT condition. everytime something didnt work right, or a noise was heard that was out of place, it was fixed immediately. he cleaned the car 2 times a week, inside and out, and he spent nearly a 6 hours each time he cleaned it. now he porters cars for a dealership and spends a whole day cleaning one car.

[SHO411]

Actually, that is the biggest misconception of most ppl, ppl think they need like 6-800hp to reach 200mph, you don't, you could actually get there with 250-300hp, the reason cars like skylines and supras need 7-800hp is cuz of their aerodynamics, they need the power to push them. On the flats I read of cars running at 230mpg but they looked like flat pieces of metal sheets, powered by small power. lambos and zondas need the big power not cuz they want to reach 200 but to reach 200 as fast as possible, if you had 10miles of flat land you really dont need all that power but to get to 200 in less than3/4 of a mile is a test of power.

[Broke_as_****]

In any type of rational situation, (you find 4-5 miles of clear highway and run up to 200 and back down) you will probably need around 450-500 rwhp (going off a Z car addled mind here). To get a Z up to 200 you will have to rev to about 8K though as it has a 5 spd in place of the R34s or Supras 6spd. And let us not forget that getting up there and staying up there long enough to get to 200 is very hard on your car. As in we don't want to blow anything at 190 going on 200.

And...Skylines and Supras and Zs and all other high performance cars are pretty aero dynamic. I know the Skyline looks like a box but looks are decieving when it comes to air flow (as shown in the fact that most modern sport bikes have around the same drag co-efficent as semis, due to the utterly open back of the otherwise highly aerodynamic front).

Anyway...

broke, yeah, ya owned me on that one.

Didn't mean to sound like a dick, sorry if I came off like that.

300 handled like a boat

Come on.. you think Nissan is going to let the great and famous Z car family turn into an overweight leather recliner? HEHE! NOT FKING LIKELY! They are a hell of alot of fun to drive (I highly recommend it) and very quick on their feet

240 has near perfect weight ratio, and a pretty good susp. setup from the factory

I'm sorry to say that the 240 is a little ass heavy, just enough to influence high speed cornering negatively but it does handly extremely well for a stock ride. Absolutely no arguing that.

And one more thing

I read of cars running at 230mpg

Buy the patents and sell them to people in California right now, you make billions

[zdude]

no, you didnt sound like an ass, i just was missinformed, and you totally informed me, plus some, so you owned me by knowing a hell of a lot more than i do about z's...the 240 may be ass heavy, but get some good wide sticky tires on there and your good to go. i actually just rotated my tires yesterday so the good sticky ones are on the back, for some reason they were up front, but yeah, it handles so much better now. and before it squeled when i took certain corners too fast, now it doesnt. the ass doesnt even seem to want to hang out. i love it...

[Broke_as_****]

What type of 240 do you have? I noticed that after I put the strut braces in my fastback and stiffened up the ass end alot, the rear tires got worn out quicker, the extra grip had to come from somewhere

EDIT: I just read you sig...*feels stupid*

Anyway...if you dont' have the rear brace, get one, it does wonders for handling and looks badass. Plus since really all it needs to be is a metal rod you can really dive for the cheap seats and get a 15 dollar strut brace off ebay. I did and it works as well as the 100 dollar one from any major brand name. (Nismo: $115 for the front only, not even shipped or Autobacs off ebay: Front and back shipped up from CA to Washington: $66)