old school s-2000

[andera]

Originally Posted by jay@af

um...

del Sol = CRX = Civic

S2000 != Civic

Therefore, S2000 != del Sol

hahaha thats the LAMEST logic i have ever seen

ThInK

[Jay!]

Originally Posted by andera

hahaha thats the LAMEST logic i have ever seen

ThInK

So prove it wrong, if you can.

[94SolGrl]

I'll accept that challenge, Jay. It all really depends on if you're talking USDM or JDM/EDM. You see, the CRX was only marketed as a "civic CRX" in the USDM market. In the JDM/EDM market, the CRX was marketed as it's own new member of the Honda family. It had no affiliation with the Civics. The del Sol, which until 1996 (I believe) was marketed as the "Civic del Sol" was actually a new generation of the CRX, hence the reason that you have the "CRX del Sol" in the JDM and EDM markets. According to Honda, the reason that both the CRX and the del Sol were badged as civics was because the American (USDM) market already knew the Civic as a reliable and somewhat fun car (I mean come on, the civic can NEVAR lose, right?). So Honda USA, in its infinite wisdom, decided to give the new-to-US-Market CRX the Civic name association, so that the market would be more tempted to give it a try. Same goes with the del Sol. Say a new subaru comes out, called the Desposa, and you've never seen anything like it, but you have your impreza and you know you like it. Well chances are, you're gonna get another impreza when the opportunity presents itself. Now say that Subaru named it the "Impreza Desposa edition" or something like that. Now it sounds like it's an improvement on the Impreza, correct? So now you want to know ALL about this new thing, and your chances of buying one become quite good, even though the same car could have been named only the Desposa and you would never have given it a second look.

Marketing 101.

The End.

[Jay!]

Originally Posted by 94SolGrl

I'll accept that challenge, Jay.

I'm not sure why, since you and I seem to be on the same side of this argument...

Originally Posted by 94SolGrl

It all really depends on if you're talking USDM or JDM/EDM. You see, the CRX was only marketed as a "civic CRX" in the USDM market. In the JDM/EDM market, the CRX was marketed as it's own new member of the Honda family. It had no affiliation with the Civics.

Completely false. Honda has always considered the CRX a part of the Civic family. To be completely accurate, I must say that the Ballade model line was considered a part of the Civic family, and that the original CRX was an evolution of the Ballade. Nevertheless, the "C" in CRX has always stood for "Civic."

The second and third CRXs were undisputably based on the Civics of the same generation. The CRX is simply the two-seater verion of that generations' Civic. It gets a special name, but that doesn't make it a whole new model anymore than the Civic Ferio sedan is a "completely different model" from the coupe/hatchback/wagon/whatever. It's just a diffferent bodystyle.

The Honda Civic Family Tree - You'll see CRXs and del Sols, but no S2000s...

Originally Posted by 94SolGrl

Say a new subaru comes out, called the Desposa, and you've never seen anything like it, but you have your impreza and you know you like it. Well chances are, you're gonna get another impreza when the opportunity presents itself. Now say that Subaru named it the "Impreza Desposa edition" or something like that. Now it sounds like it's an improvement on the Impreza, correct? So now you want to know ALL about this new thing, and your chances of buying one become quite good, even though the same car could have been named only the Desposa and you would never have given it a second look.

Your hypothetical situation is moot, since Subaru already did that. It's called the Outback (and Outback Sport). Outbacks are Legacies (or Liberties, depending on the market, but it's my point that the labels don't matter...), Outback Sports are Imprezas. Most don't say "Legacy" or "Impreza" anywhere on them, but that's what they are, albeit with two-tone paintjobs and slightly higher suspension. Certainly not enough to warrant an entire separate model.

Another example:
Next year, in the US market, Saab will sell a Subaru Impreza with a different front end and call it a 9-2x. It that a new model? No. It's a rebadged, face-lifted Impreza.

Another example:
Scion xA and Xb are rebadged Toyota ist and bB, respectively. Both are built on the same platform as the ECHO. I look at the new Scions, and I see square ECHOs. They're all the same car, with different skin.

My point:
Badges, names and minor skin changes do not new models make. Marketing labels do not change that with which a car is made.
I still contend that:

• all del Sols are CRXs
• all CRXs are Civics
• no S2000s are Civics

[97DelSol_Turbo]

Fist thins first. The S2000 IS NOT in any way related to the Del Sol. There are little or no parts that are the same. The chassie is completly different.
The S2000 engine is not baced off of the Prelude or any other car. The engine was built COMPLETLY new. Nothing about it is taken fron the Prelude. The s2000 is the sucessor of the S series of vehicles honda made.
And just because the interior looks similar ie. has shift knob and a steering wheel dosent mean it was based on it.
The CRX and Del Sol are a line of cars.
Just like BMW's 3 series or 5 series. Like Mercedes' C series.
Stop trying to make yourself feel better about your car because you think it is some how related to the S2000. Only way its related is the fact that they are both Hondas.

Tim

[94SolGrl]

Actually the S2000 is based of the old S800 and S500, but I'll leave it alone... why is this damn thread still open?

[lsvtecsedan]

1984-1987 Civic CRX 2-in-1
1988-1991 CRX are Civic
1993-1999 del Sols are CRX
2000-200? S2000 are del Sols

Reason being S2000 did came off of the del Sol.

Requirements to convert a del Sol into a S2000.

exterior and some parts of engine bay
Any year S2000 radiator support (welding)
Any year S2000 complete front-end (fenders, hood, bumper, lights)
Side mirror and door are the same.
Any year S2000 rear quarter panel (welding), tail lights, trunk, and bumper

engine(optional)
H22A complete swap

interior
Any year S2000 interior

[geisi]

everyone here is saying the s2000 was built all new from the ground up and looks nothing like the del sol, otehr than the fact its a 2 seater. yet you also say the the del sol came from the crx (which is true) but i dont understand your reasoning when you say the s2000 cant come from the del sol. the del sol is nothing like the crx other than the fact that its a 2 seater. you can redesign any car you want and call it somthing different. take the new rx-8 for example. well lets see it looks alot like an rx-7 but with a few changes here and a few changes there we instantly have an rx-8. and you cant use the fact that its rear wheel drive and not front wheel drive, because if you go back and look, alot of cars were rear wheel drive to begin with and the name didnt change even when they became front wheel drive cars. you cant tell me that there is no way the s2000 didnt come form the del sol, im not saying it did or didnt, im just saying unless you have absolute 100% proof to share with everyone here, you cant say there is no possible way, because it is possible.

[94SolGrl]

MAKE IT DIE! (and hey, now I have a lock button)