240sx vs. Integra GSR

[nissanfanatic]

yes. come to think of it, musicsurfman is right. If you ever listen to a stock honda rev, it takes forever to get up there. the flywheel and clutch must be pretty heavy. Also, there isn't a whole lot of engine there. I mean a 1.6L and a 2.0. They don't even come with turbos so i don't see how all these companies started making kits for them and not for a true sports car (240sx).

[musicsurfman]

Don't Get My Wrong The Hybrid Honda Motor.... B20 Vtec Is An Awesome Motor. 220hp Just By Swapping A B18c Head Onto A B20 Block Is Impressive. But A Stock Hondas Aren't Impressive. Hell Look At There Performance Model The Prelude. Its Fat, Heavy, Slow, And Has Massive Understeer Matched With Major Torque Steer.

[alkemyst]

The mags reported these numbers in their tests of the 1992 and 1993 GS-R, I remember I ran a 1/4 almost indentical to the mag numbers back in 1994 (I had a 1992)

1992 Acura Integra GS-R 6.8 15.4
1993 Acura Integra GS-R 6.5 15.2

a 94 GSR made 152 whp on mustang dyno w/190000 miles with I/H/E....I don't have the chart anymore but I remember a 170HP dynoed at 135HP baseline with miles on it.

What was the state of your friend's engine? compression? miles? etc. Also is he absolutely positive he has a real gsr? I know few of the honda guys at the track found out the gsr the bought was a rebadged gs. Regardless most of even the real ones were so dogged out they won't even make stock power with a cat-back.

I am not trying to get into a pissing match...but all you have to do is look at the 0-60 and 1/4mile times a stock GS-R turns. That's power + gearing + overall wieght/aerodynamics. The 240SX cannot hang with that in stock trim. It's not to say the GS-R is a better car, it's just a quicker one out of the box.

Nissanfanatic...there are more than just the 1.6 and 2.0 found in these cars....2.0 is not giving up much to the 2.4 as far as power potential.

[MR2Driver]

Did I hear someone say FF's have drag advantage because the engine is over the drive wheels?

When you launch the weight transfers to the rear wheels and away from the front wheels, thats why FF's have traction issues upon launch.

The GS-R is still faster in the 1320 than a USDM 240SX. But it doesnt mean the 240SX isnt still the superior car.

[musicsurfman]

I'm Not Either I Was Just Quoting What I Saw.

It Was An Hawaii Car With Less Than 60,000 Miles. The Car Was In Great Condition But Had Cooling Issue Because Of A Faulty Pump. It Was A Real Gsr And The The Title And Registration Even Listed It Under The Model Code.

Well If You Real Want To Get Into Piss Poor Honda Transmission Design..... Any Model Civic, Accord, Delsol, And Prelude. This Things Have High Flywheel Numbers But Crappy Wheel Outputs. My Friends Civic With 140hp Was Putting 98hp To The Ground.

[alkemyst]

Regardless of what's being measured at the wheels by whomever. The 1/4 miles don't lie. A US spec 240SX will be the loser to any of the GSR's both in equal states of tune with equal drivers. It's just the way the manufacturer's handled it stateside.

Many of the 1/4 mile times you may see for Hondas in general are slow as have these morons are running 18" and larger wheels.