Supra TT vs LS1 Camaro

[TatII]

well i would hardly consider a super charger a as a bolt on. i was referring to using the usually intake and exhuast. now a super charger kit usually goes for 4K maybe 3K for that money its almost the cost of a turbo upgrade. so wherer will that put the supra? anyways you agree that the supra's engine is durable and you agree that it makes good power for the money. and i love f bodys and i love LS1's but we're just from different camps. i'm more for imports your more for domestics.

[Joseph1082]

I would have to say even modded, things stay pretty even. An LS1 with all the bolt-ons I'm sure will reach or pass 400hp, thing is, that's n/a. Now the Supra can be boosted up to 450hp, but obviously it wasn't meant for this, if it was, this would be the factory boost setting. Anyway, I feel like things are gettnig too opinionated and less factual. Just my $.02

[TatII]

the supra is very bottled up from the factory. with a simple intake and exhuast and intercooler piping change you can get atleast 80whp from just that. 450whp is no where near pushing taht engine hard. just like the LS1 if the engine can't handle that kind of power whey did chevy only make it put out 300whp when you can get 400whp easy? same reason. if they made all that power the fuel economy would go down and it might not pass the standard for the fleet average the whole company. it might not pass noise, or emissions. there is a load of reasons why the factory bottles up cars like that.

[Joseph1082]

I was refering to the boost setting, on a FI car. The LS1 as an engine doesn't have near the stress the Supra's does. I mentioned bolt-ons, exactly, they mearly change how the car breathes among other things hey make more efficient. On the other hand, someone mentioned turning the boost up to make 450hp. This is not simply a bolt-on, aka making the engine run more efficiently, it is changing a factory setting on where and how the engine should perform, hence raising the stress level. I doubt you could run around with a stock Supra w/ the boost up to make 450hp for very long, eventually things would start to break because it is not meant for this, however, you cannot say the LS1 was not meant to have simple bolt-ons.

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by TatII

the supra is very bottled up from the factory. with a simple intake and exhuast and intercooler piping change you can get atleast 80whp from just that. 450whp is no where near pushing taht engine hard. just like the LS1 if the engine can't handle that kind of power whey did chevy only make it put out 300whp when you can get 400whp easy? same reason. if they made all that power the fuel economy would go down and it might not pass the standard for the fleet average the whole company. it might not pass noise, or emissions. there is a load of reasons why the factory bottles up cars like that.

Toyota 'bottled up' their engine, but Chevy 'limited' their engine because of weakness.... right, care to notice the double standard in that statement?

Anyways, when you can get an OLD Chevy V8 to get over 400 horsepower with just a Carburetor, no supercharger or turbo, it pretty much seals the matter right there on which design gets more power without resorting to forced induction.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/bowtie/bowtie.html

LPE-
http://www.lingenfelter.com/supercha...ntercooled.asp

Remember the supra in question has two turbos, which certainly should make it outperform a V8 with a mere supercharger... oh wait, no it wont.

[TatII]

i never said that it was just toyota who bottles up their engine. if you read carefully i said that is why "companys" bottle up their engines. and to be honest with you know, i don't even like toyota. lolz i only respect the MR2 turbo and i love the supra. but that is about it. every other car in their fleet is gay and is designed for old boring people. boring cars for boring people.

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by TatII

every other car in their fleet is gay and is designed for old boring people. boring cars for boring people.

Actually, you're right about that, it's one reason Toyota made the gay assed 'Scion' line of cars, to try and appeal to younger people. Turns out the average age of a Toyota buyer was over 45.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by justacruiser

Actually, you're right about that, it's one reason Toyota made the gay assed 'Scion' line of cars, to try and appeal to younger people. Turns out the average age of a Toyota buyer was over 45.

This sounds like Toyota is making a more appealing market for the younger crowd. I know that the last quarter of 03' GM actually outsold Toyota in automobile sales (followed by Ford, then Honda). It would only sound resonable for Toyota to make cars more appealing for other possible buyers to regain the larger percentage of the market.

[TatII]

toyota is scared almost like murcury and oldsmobile that their primary buyers will die and that there will be no new following for them. what toyota needs is a true performance car again. something that is either AWD, RWD, or MR the new celica is hardly a considered a quick car. they need to bring back turbo charged cars with high potential rather then a high strung n/a car.