DPS Dyno results thread locked?

[CD Smalley]

Sorry I can't let go of this....

Bad form Igor.

Why lock the thread and delete posts?

I thought the last gasp effort by those who could not debate their point/product was to attack the questioners. Now I see it is to stop the debate by locking the thread and then revise what was posted. Myself and others posted comments and ask questions that you could not or would not effectively answer. I saw no misleading posts there.

From the locked thread:
Igor's reply: The main purpose of this product is not to increase power but to make your car more efficiently and have your engine behave smoother. This product made 2-3hp and 3-4lb-ft gains on these two vehicles, but that is exactly why more dynos are coming to show what effect it has on other cars.

From DPS's website : "The theory was that wasted currents inside the vehicle could be transformed and controlled for an increase in power".

So now that you cannot effective state what the product does, you have taken to misrepresenting the product's true purpose. DPS says it's to increase power.

How are we now supposed to believe the benefits that you state this product produces?

I think this product is bogus. But more importantly than that I know, and I don't use these words lightly:

You Igor, are a liar.

[igor@af]

I am going to see if I can get a DPS out to you so you can try it for yourself.
I am not understanding how you can call me a liar when the product is backed by a full money back guarantee. If a person returns a DPS, we actually lose over $20 because of the shipping charges, and obviously, if a customer is not satisfied with the unit he will return it for a refund....

[Heep]

Originally Posted by CD Smalley

From DPS's website : "The theory was that wasted currents inside the vehicle could be transformed and controlled for an increase in power".

You seem to be assuming that means engine horsepower output.

Try the product. If you don't like it, return it. You continually attack the product based on no personal experience. So again, try it out; then, you will have personal experience with the DPS for a better understanding of it's purpose and usage. You have nothing to lose.

[CD Smalley]

Originally Posted by igor@af

I am going to see if I can get a DPS out to you so you can try it for yourself.
I am not understanding how you can call me a liar when the product is backed by a full money back guarantee.

Igor, In your own words from the locked thread : "Igor's reply: The main purpose of this product is not to increase power but to make your car more efficiently and have your engine behave smoother."

From DPS's website "The theory was that wasted currents inside the vehicle could be transformed and controlled for an increase in power, ".

Also from DPS's website "The results were amazing! Not only did the torque, horsepower and acceleration increase"

Your statement regarding the purpose of this device is a lie. Either that or DPS is lying. You can't have it both ways. The guarantee is meaningless since I believe you have proven yourself to be dishonest. Your locking of the thread discussing the dyno results and then editing of the thread to remove posts that contained "misinformation" regarding DPS would seem to prove this. Whether your intention was to cover your dishonesty or not is irrelevant. The appearance given by the acts you have performed has done your credibility irreparable harm in my eyes.

In that light, how can I in good conscience trust you with $250 of my hard earned money?

If you would like to alleviate some of this distrust from myself and those who posted/read the thread in question, restore the deleted posts and unlock the thread to let the debate continue.


Heep - you wrote "You seem to be assuming that means engine horsepower output.".

I am assuming nothing. I am qouting directly from posts made by Igor on this website and DPS's website.

[CD Smalley]

I have also looked at the competing products. Hyper Voltage seems the closest in design and appearance. However they still speak in only vague generalities regarding what their product does as well. That being said, they were able to show a graph of stabilized voltage across the RPM ranges with their product installed. Which at least gives a person an idea of what it supposedly does.

By the way, one of the first hits to turn up when doing a google search for Hyper Voltage is a post on this site advertising it for sale. I found that quite humorous.

[Heep]

Originally Posted by CD Smalley

Igor, In your own words from the locked thread : "Igor's reply: The main purpose of this product is not to increase power but to make your car more efficiently and have your engine behave smoother."

From DPS's website "The theory was that wasted currents inside the vehicle could be transformed and controlled for an increase in power, ".

Also from DPS's website "The results were amazing! Not only did the torque, horsepower and acceleration increase"

Marketing is clever and often misleading...as a student with a marketing major, I've seen the tricks. From what I've read, K&G is not claiming that increasing engine horsepower output is the primary purpose of the DPS, they are talking about increased electrical power produced by converting "bad" currents into usable power. On the other hand, Igor is stating that the DPS's purpose is not to increase engine horsepower output, therefore their stories are not conflicting.

In regards to that third quote, you are taking it out of its context. "Not only did..." implies that the increase in engine power was not the only product of the system, therefore using it as evidence that an increase in engine power is the DPS's primary purpose is invalid.

Again I'll say, try it out. Otherwise, you have no personal proof that it is BS, only what you consider evidence. If you still don't like it, send it back at no cost to you.

[CD Smalley]

Heep,

As a marketing major you have seen the tricks? Then you should recognize them being employed here. As a marketing major you should understand this concept as well, words mean things.

I suggest you take a good hard look at the DPS website at http://www.directpowersystem.com/what_is_dps.html . Under the heading "What can be expected from the Direct Power System", the first, the very first item listed is "Increase in Horsepower and torque".

Does that not mean the primary purpose of this product is to increase the horsepower and torque of the vehicle on which it is installed? It's the first item on the list and thus must be the most important from DPS's standpoint. If not, why put it at the top of the list?

In regards to my third quote, if those items listed are not the primary items of concern, why are they first in the sentence? Also please note, the emphasis was DPS's not mine.

Given the importance placed by DPS on increasing HP and torque by placing those items at the top of their lists and Igor's denial that increasing HP is the most important thing, I think someone here is being deceptive.

I've only posted that I think this product it bogus. You are correct I have no evidence. But so far none has been presented that proves to me that it is not bogus.

Lastly, I've already answered why I will not purchase this product. Disregarding my feeling that I cannot trust the people selling the product, it's extremely poor HP per dollar return is my main reason. I'll give a further example. Imagine someone asks you to pay say $800 for a set of aluminum heads to replace the cast iron heads you have on an engine, and in return you will only received an 8HP gain on the dyno. Would you do it?

Now I am done with this. I'm tired and need to go to bed. Do what you will with this thread as well Igor. Delete it, edit it, whatever.

[2strokebloke]

Originally Posted by CD Smalley

Lastly, I've already answered why I will not purchase this product. Disregarding my feeling that I cannot trust the people selling the product, it's extremely poor HP per dollar return is my main reason. I'll give a further example. Imagine someone asks you to pay say $800 for a set of aluminum heads to replace the cast iron heads you have on an engine, and in return you will only received an 8HP gain on the dyno. Would you do it?

Well since you wouldn't buy it, even if you believed 100% that it worked, then why have you been complaining so much that it doesn't work?
I've already stated my opinions about the system, and I'm still skeptical of several of the claims made about the product, and I wouldn't reccomend the product right now to anybody (unless they were really interested in whether or not it actually worked) because I haven't tried it myself, but for the same reason I'm not about to start telling everybody not to buy it. I'm waiting to hear more opinions from people who have bought it to form my opinions about the claims I don't believe yet, but what use are the opinions of those who haven't tried it? I'm sorry if I was being a jerk in the other thread, but it gets on my nerves when people start looking down on something before trying it, being a Yugo owner I hear people's opinions about how "shitty" the car is all the time, when they're never even owned, or worse never even driven one.
Right now my feelings towards the product are nuetral, I believe that it works and fufills a few of it's claims - I'm skeptical though of whether it fufills all it's claims though, when I've actually tried it my opinion will be fully formed.

[YogsVR4]

I know I won't drop that kind of money for a product that will not actually give me any decent hp gains per dollar.

I do think that their website is trying to give the illusion that their product does things that it really can't (like the increase in hp). As Heep has said, they aren't 'technically' lieing. But, it does not give me a warm fuzzy to send them any of my $$$.

[Heep]

CD Smalley, thanks for your understanding.

Promoting an increase in hp and torque is most definitely the marketer's primary purpose, but it is not the device's primary purpose.

We are all entitled to our opinions on the item. I don't have any experience with it either so I can't vouch for it. My primary concern was with you discouraging people to buy the DPS because of your opinion. Igor has become willing to accept a loss to allow people to try the item, so people can formulate their own opinions on the device at no obligation.

I won't try to convince you that it works as that is pointless. However, I will not stand for people discouraging the trial of the device based on their opinions.

Thanks for your understanding.

[igor@af]

Texan put his tester on today and was surprised by the results. He is in the process of doing more testing on the DPS as well as documenting everything he experiences/thinks about it.