Chemical weapons found?

[freakray]

I stayed out of this thread too long.

Brian, although your first link offers credibility to the fact that Saddam had chemicals weapons, 14 years ago, the question now is whether he had any such weapons 4 months ago.
In response to an prior argument of yours, Iraq was invaded on the premise of being a threat to other nations by its possession of chemical weapons and the like. How can you justify a statement like "We never used them on our own people like Saddam did" which although being correct is totally irrelevant to the point here.
The USA produced the chemicals it is now destroying in order to use them on other countries, Saddam was accused of doing the same, do you see the point here?

You yourself state that Saddam ignored the UN, so when did it become the USA's job to enforce UN resolutions?

V8-fan, where did you come from, so we know where to send you back to.
How is stating that the US Intelligence group should know exactly where things are if they are indeed there anti-American?
It sounded to me like Naki was giving the said intelligence agency much more credit than they deserve in light of the events of the last couple of months.

[Veyron]

We never threatened or used this type weapon on other countries, and we were no longer willing to take the chance that he wouldn't again so we stepped up to enforce the resolutions. Believe a lot of countries are glad it wasn't them who had to.

I'm not going to drive a car that doesn't have all the wheels on it, we are still over ther searching and fighting regime stragglers at the same time. I'm patient and confident we'll find plenty of what he said he didn't have.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Veyron

I'm patient and confident we'll find plenty of what he said he didn't have.

Why?

Between the thousands of troops on the ground,the multi-billion dollar intelligence network that the US has in place around the globe and in space,and the thousands of hungry Iraqis who would jump at the chance of claiming some of the reward money if they had information worth selling,the U.S. has yet to come up with a single incriminating weapon,a single round of chemical ordinance,a single cache of weapons grade chemicals,or a single incriminating e-mail or written order that leads to any of the above.

So please expand,WHY do you believe in a future that flies in the face of the evidence to date?

[YogsVR4]

Because you are wrong. They have incriminating evidence. They have emails. They have letters. What they haven't found yet is the actual weapons.

[Veyron]

We also have this:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...rq.centrifuge/

What does it mean? We don't know yet, it's just an example of what could be found. It's an in progress procedure that is far from finished.

[freakray]

Originally Posted by Veyron

We also have this:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...rq.centrifuge/

What does it mean? We don't know yet, it's just an example of what could be found. It's an in progress procedure that is far from finished.

That article has been discussed here before.

What does it mean, nothing!!
It means that Iraq HAD a nuclear program 12 years ago, it doesn't mean they had one now.

U.S. officials emphasized this was not evidence Iraq had a nuclear weapon -- but it was evidence the Iraqis concealed plans to reconstitute their nuclear program as soon as the world was no longer looking.

Even the US officials admitted it wasn't proof of anything except that they didn't destroy everything like they were meant to after the Gulf War.

[Veyron]

It means that Iraq HAD a nuclear program 12 years ago, it doesn't mean they had one now.

I get that, but he also had chance after chance to prove by proper procedures that he was complying with the resolutions, instead he was defiant to the very end. He never showed proof that he destroyed or dismantled, he also stalled inspectors and wouldn't let them into certain areas after he greed to. That's the main reason a action of force was taken, his own doing.

Let me clarify my position on the WMD search/supposed bad intel situation. I don't really care if we find any or not, he proved to the world to be a supporter of terrorist and he himself a brutal murdering dictator. We are there to protect our interest and we shouldn't care what the rest of the world's opinion is of that.

I believe history will prove that removing him from power in that region was an important act and a good start of cleaning up some dangerous networking run amuck. We and our way of life are under attack by said network so I'm not going to feel bad or bust Bush's chops for fighting back to weaken and put these thugs on the run. War is politics by other means, Saddam designed his own empass, I'm glad we did what we did and are doing.

The only people here that really disagree with it, yet agree the fall of Saddam is a good thing, are those who vehemently oppose Bush. Much of it is useless finger pointing and poitical positioning, nothing more. The ones that can't see the fall of Saddam as a good thing are just intellectually dishonest or niave IMO.

One of the earliest resolutions approved the use of force so we didn't violate anything there. IMO the sales pitch to the American people to get the country behind the effort really wasn't necessary from what I experienced just hearing people talk, we were already behind it, even many of the Bush opposition. Of course they started piling on the "reason we went" argument afterwards.

So people can keep harping on the lack of a WMD find all they want to, and simply ignore the fact that the search is ongoing. It gives them a reason to spur on the opposition. It's much like an argument over abortion, the opinions are so deeply held that no amount of proof or reasoning is going to change the other's mind.

With all that said, do I fear my own government? Believe me, I do!

[taranaki]

From the people who brought you "The quest for the Holy Grail"...

Presenting....

"The search for the WMD"

We never have to find anything,but if we keep telling people that it exists out there,they'll all believe it eventually.Besides,all the time we're herelooking for WMD,we may as well keep pumping that lovely black gold,eh?

There are no WMD's.Game over,George got it wrong.