Turbo b16b?

[Ricochet]

I'm installing a b16b this weekend and want to get a ballpark figure for horsepower gains and cost with a turbo kit. I've seen GS-R's run 11's (with some serious tuning and $) but my goal is to obtain mid-13's, for now. I know the compression is a bit high and I couldn't run much over 5-6 lbs of boost with stock internals, but where will that get me powerwise?

[whtteg]

If you have a b16b then I think I would leave the boost out and make it an all motor beast. That is an excellent motor for all motor power and you could easily see mid 13's and it be daily driven.

[Ricochet]

Cool, that sounds cheaper and relatively easier anyways. I figured it would be a lot of money for a turbo, and cheaper to get the same goals all motor. Any n/a tips? Or nm I'll post in the jdm forum...

[PWMAN]

Well, you need nitrous to get 13's. Unless you have gobs of money ready to rebuild your engine with better internals. Like high compression pistons, port and polish job, cams, probably rods. I would go FI, theres no limit to what you can do there. N/A will only get you so far, and if you eventually want to do 11's, then the only choice you have will be NOS, if that will even do it.

[edman24]

damn you people who think NOS is the solution to everything. first of all this guy has what some people consider, the best motor put in a road car by honda. do not waste time or money on trying to turbocharge it. it will be expensive and totally undermine the purpose of having a b16b. you can do 11's with all motor and no nos but not with a b16b. youll need more displacement for that. but if you build it right you could be in the high 12's for sure. high compression pistons, full head work (port and polish, 5 angle valve job), crazy cams, springs, valves, retainers, engine management, and fuel upgrades. that would be the ultimate beast. if you did that youd have people bowing in front of your open hood.

p.s.
AND DONT GO f*CKING UP YOUR ENGINE WITH NOS!!!
its unnecessary and detrimental to your engine. do not believe everything you see in movies. Fast and the Furious' depiction of how NOS makes a car go faster is FAR, VERY FAR, from the real world.

[Ricochet]

I fucked up my last two DX engines on nitrous so it's the last thing I want to turn to for speed on a (after installation etc) $5000 engine.

p.s. fast and furious is a fake piece of shit movie

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by edman24
damn you people who think NOS is the solution to everything.

Damn you people who don't read an entire post. I said UNLESS you have gobs of money to dump in the engine with a complete rebuild, then NOS is your only answer. But with the stock engine 11's aren't gonna happen. No 12's there either. Might get 13's with a lot of bolt ons.

BTW, a B series motor can handle twice the amount of nitrous than a D series can. With proper fuel management, which is the key, then you can do 100 shot on a B18C1. I'd say you can run atleast an 80 shot on the B18B, it's a good solid engine.

[Ricochet]

I don't want to use nitrous ever again. Whether the engine is strong enough or not, nitrous is an oxidizer and will slowly damage the internals. I don't know, it may never do any harm but I don't want to take the chance on such a somewhat rare engine.

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by Ricochet
I don't want to use nitrous ever again. Whether the engine is strong enough or not, nitrous is an oxidizer and will slowly damage the internals. I don't know, it may never do any harm but I don't want to take the chance on such a somewhat rare engine.

Yeah I understood that already.
I was only giving an alternative and cheaper solution. So do you have that kind of money to do all that? Your going to need like 4-5 grand on top of the price of the engine. Not to mention other parts to make your chassis stronger so ot can handle the power, and get the power to the ground.

[Cronic]

Thicker head gasket will lower your compression slightly. The b16b is not that great of a motor to mod. You'd be better of with a USDM or JDM ITR. If you want to go boost, go with a custom kit, and Hondata.

CTR's IMHO are novelty. No real point in having one when they're more expensive then the better supported, and more powerful ITR.

PS. Nitrous is a good power adder if used properly. You blew your other motors because you were prolly greedy with the shot.

Stick with a 55 dry, or a 70 wet, drop your timing back a couple degrees and you'll be good to go. Just listen for knock.

[spdbtr79460]

Cronic is right if u go over board w nos u will blow ur motor. Oh and all the nos haters nos gives u the best bang for ur buck and actually cools ur intake temperature

[Ricochet]

I'll be the first to admit it was my retardedness for blowing both engines. First one I didn't have the intake/regulator hoses on right, second time I forgot to put in the 65 n2o pill when going from 55 -> 65 shot. I think that pushed a 700 shot through the car? It wasn't pretty, and I'm still kicking myself for doing something so stupid. Good thing it was on a $170 junkyard engine rather than a type r though.

[edman24]

from my experiences with nos i will never use it. i know people who have used i properly as you all say and it still killed their engines. can anyone here actually explain what NOS does? its basically like injecting adrenaline into your body. the N2O gas that is put into the engine carries a very high concentration of oxygen. when this is added into the regular combustion in the cylinder, it multiplies the strength of the explosion. of course meaning higher hp. but what happens when increasing the hp in such a manner. now when most people use nos, it is on a stock engine or slightly modded with bolt ons. no fuel upgrades. when adding all that extra oxygen into the chamber without correctly compensating with fuel, the mixture leans out and cause damage to the engine. knock, detonation and so on. UNLESS fuel upgrades, ignition upgrades, and even piston and piston ring upgrades are made, NOS is never safe to an engine. but even then youre car will be slower when not using nos because of retarded timing and lower compression. and with stock engines it is even worse. if NOS is used on a regular basis it starts to wear on the piston rings. even if it is a small shot. soon they will be worn enough to create blow by which means you lose compression. then your car becomes slower without nos again.

so in short my opinion on NOS. i would never waste money on it. but if i were ever to use it for any reason, i would treat it like any other kind of forced induction i would put on my engine. just like turbocharging and supercharging where you need to beef up internals, fuel and ignition systems, not to mention engine management.

as far as bang for the buck goes, no one can argue with that. but id rather lose 50 races then have my engine go to hell before it should.

[edman24]

HAHAHAHAHA

i just found out my friend with a 90 integra RS blew his engine. and guess why!!! NOSSSSSSS. using a 55 shot all of a sudden a ring blew and all this smoke came out the exhaust. his timing was retarded, had a cold air intake, high flow cat, and no fuel mods. after a year of using nos his engine blows. i warned him but he didnt listen. ahh well i guess we all learn the hard way sometimes

[Ricochet]

id rather lose 50 races then have my engine go to hell before it should.

amen brother