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Re: Good Samaritan Gun Use
That will start a whole new argument....but an incredibly good question IMO. Have to think about it....
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To sum it up, the majority of them don't know the difference between a sporting firearm and any other. And that includes a lot "pro-gun" people. If they want to ban something, they should at least learn a little about what they want to ban. Go to their local shooting range and meet some of the folks there, see how things work, maybe take a few shots, etc. They can't expect anyone to take them seriously when they know nothing about the subject at hand. Not to mention there's still that whole Bill of Rights thing, which makes no mention of "sporting," but does however mention the "security of a free state."
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Like i said Australia is a minority, there are plenty of countries that have guns everywhere and are safe. Look at Switzerland, have you bin to switzerland? When you walk around you see people carrying guns everywhere, rifles on their back, pistols in their pants and its one of the safest countries in the world. How do you explain that? Switzerland has a law that states everybody from the ages of 20-42 is required to own a gun and they even have local shooting competitions for 12-16 year olds.... so trying to take all the guns out of the country isnt the solution. |
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Re: Good Samaritan Gun Use
Fred- I hear ya guy! I just get tired of hearing the sheep shit about how perfect NZ is. There are dozens and dozens and dozens of websites that tell a whole different tale about NZ crime than our prevaricating pervert does. I'm tired of America bashing pukes from isolated nowhere locales ranting incoherently about Bush, US citizens and on and on. Take some time and read those rambling tirades and haranges that just go on and on never addressing any precise subject but go off instead attempting to verbally debase the US. How many times have jagoffs hijacked threads to thump their rhetorical bullshit bibles. Just look at the venom coming outta this guy. He's sick.
Snoopis- there's just a whole bunch of people that believe tin horn politicians passing some feel-good law is going to be the magic bullet on top of over 20,000 other firearms laws. Silly. Gotti- you have it right. Just because some provincial or draconian law works in some quaint country somewhere doesn't mean it will work here or that we'd even want it. I don't care what country in the world you go to. If you want drugs or a gun and have $$ you're gonna get it laws or no laws. Watch it Gotti talking about Switzerland handling firearms well or that quack will be attacking US society and all our faults again.
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Frankly, I'm getting just as tired of your ridiculous dribbling as you are of being told the truth.I have issues with a couple of aspects of your culture, but that does not mean that you have to start with childish crap like this.Unless of course, you are intellectually incapable of debating, in which case you should maybe stay out of arguments that you can't win. |
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[/quote] Like i said Australia is a minority, there are plenty of countries that have guns everywhere and are safe. Look at Switzerland, have you bin to switzerland? When you walk around you see people carrying guns everywhere, rifles on their back, pistols in their pants and its one of the safest countries in the world. How do you explain that? Switzerland has a law that states everybody from the ages of 20-42 is required to own a gun and they even have local shooting competitions for 12-16 year olds.... so trying to take all the guns out of the country isnt the solution.[/quote] Yes, let's compare Switzerland, with one of the highest standards of living in the world, and a history of armed neutrality, with,say the Bronx, or Watts, or,well any other crime centre in America.Let's compare a country that expects the highest standard of behaviour with firearms with the confrotationalle and bullying attitude of the US,where it's ok to shoot as long as the other guy is looking at you a bit funny... I'f you knew the laws that you quote so freely a little better, you would also know that the Swiss requirement for all males between 20 and 42 to be armed and trained for military service also comes with a rider.The ammunition issued to them is counted and sealed.Break the seal without cause, you are in trouble.Every rouund must be accounted for, and if abused, you get jailed. In short.Swiss gun owners have been taught that keeping a gun is a responsibility,and one not to be taken lightly.The buffons from the NRA, on the other hand will tell you that gun ownership is a right, and so is shooting at peopl;e as a first line of defence.It's horeshit like that that has dragged what could have been a viable stategy for gun management into armed mayhem.The majority who hold firearms responsibly are being discredited by tthe twitching lunatics who cannot accept that it is not their right ore their responsibility to live their lives according to the laws of the wild west. |
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Re: Good Samaritan Gun Use
The Swiss also have a mandatory military service requirement of 2 years.
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Further, you seem to be very confused of what vigilante means. Vigilante justice is when someone obtains a suspected criminal, often on hearsay or baseless suspicion, after a crime has been comitted, and punishes/kills the suspect without giving them a trial. In this case, the good samaritan caught the murderer IN THE ACT and attmepted to put an end to it in order to save lives. Big difference. Quote:
It's the gun-grabbing hoplophobes that want to avoid responsibility. They want to blame everything and anything but their beloved unfortunate criminals. They don't want to solve any problems, they shirk THEIR responsibility by placing all blame on an inadequate object instead of dealing with the real issues. As far as gun ownership being a right, well that's half correct. The right is self defense- guns are just the most effective tool for the job. If you can't have the tools necessary to espouse a right, than what good is that right? The answer is none. If you lived in a land of "free speech" where tongues were illegal... would that really be free speech? What about "freedom of religion" in a land where bibles and churches are illegal? Quote:
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"Frankly, I'm getting just as tired of your ridiculous dribbling as you are of being told the truth."
Tarinooki- so only YOU are the savior who speaks the one truth? What a load os self righteous crap! You don't discuss or debate you debase and continually rag on the US and yes, the society= the people. Since there isn't any moderator here it's just a fuck-a-thon argument anyway. You're just a mentally constipated loser. So you don't like me. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about Bush or guns in the US or anything you drone on about? Nothing. "..in the US because GUNS ARE FAR TOO EASILY OBTAINED." You don't have the slightest idea of the proceedures in place for a citizen to legally purchase a firearm so just stop sounding stupid about it. You endict our whole society because criminals steal our property (firearms) and then commit crimes? That's totally irrational. Criminals do not legally purchase firearms here. You simply show how ignorant you are when you attempt to comment on laws and social mores of another culture from afar.
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Myth No. 1: Guns cause crime. A careful review of 18 academic studies shows that there is no relationship between the number of guns and the amount of crime in the United States. International evidence tells a similar story.
Myth No. 2: State adopting Right to Carry Laws Allowing People to Carry concealed weapons will only increase violent crimes: The nation's violent crime rate has decreased every year since 1991 and in 2002 hit a 23-year low. In the same period, 17 states adopted and 13 states improved RTC laws. RTC states have lower violent crime rates, on average: 24% lower total violent crime, 22% lower murder, 37% lower robbery, and 20% lower aggravated assault. The five states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. California a restricted rights state has nearly double the the murders of the highest RTC state and only 176 fewer than the top 3 RTC states combined. When Combined, Restricted rights and No right states (12 in all) these states comprise 38.7 percent (or 5178*) of the total murders in the US a significant number when compared to the 38 RTC states which in total account for 61.3 percent (or 8029**). (Data: FBI) Studying crime trends in every county in the U.S., John Lott and David Mustard found, "allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have Right to Carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly....The estimated annual gain from allowing concealed handguns is at least $6.214 billion....(W)hen state concealed handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5 percent, and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent." ("Crime, Deterrence, and Right To Carry Concealed Handguns," 1996.) *- Washington D.C. stats not included (usually significant) **- Florida stats unavailable. Myth No 3: Gun control laws reduce crime. The nation already has 20,000 gun control laws, and the police arrest 220,000 people a year on weapons violations. Yet the violent crime is not deterred. Moreover, considering that fewer than 1 percent of all guns are involved in a crime and only 12 percent of all violent crimes involve a gun, gun control laws could have only a modest effect on crime - even if they worked exactly as intended, which they don't. For example, New Jersey, Hawaii and Washington, D.C., experienced sharp murder-rate increases after passing tough gun control laws. Canada, Taiwan and Jamaica reported similar experiences. Myth No. 4: Guns are of little help in defending against criminals. In fact, guns are a big help. Each year, potential victims kill from 2,000 to 3,000 criminals and wound an additional 9,000 to 17,000. And mishaps are rare. Private citizens mistakenly kill innocent people only 30 times a year, compared with about 330 mistaken killings by police. Criminals succeed in taking a gun away from an armed victim less than 1 percent of the time. Myth No. 5: Killing someone is the only reason to buy a handgun. The vast majority of gun owners cite protection from crime as one of the main reasons they own a gun. And for good reason. Americans use guns for self-protection about one million times a year. In 98 percent of the cases, they simply brandish the weapon or fire a warning shot. Myth No. 6: People who buy guns are more prone to violence and crime than are other people. Violence and crime are higher among black than white, lower-income than middle- or upper-income, young than middle-aged, single than married, and urban than rural individuals - all contrary to the pattern of gun ownership. Myth No. 7: Killings and other violent crimes were prevalent in the Old West because guns were so plentiful. Much of the violence on the frontier involved clashes with Indians, bandits and foreigners. Even so, the frontier was a lot safer than America is today. There was very little ordinary crime - less than in most cities in the East. Myth No. 8: Gun controls keep criminals from obtaining guns. In surveys of prisoners, a majority said that prior to imprisonment they had owned a handgun. But fewer than one in six guns had been purchased from a retail dealer. Three-fourths of the felons said they would have no trouble obtaining a gun when they were released, despite legal prohibitions. Myth No. 9: Required waiting periods would prevent some of the most vicious crimes. If the Brady bill were law, it would not have saved Jim Brady. Nor would it have prevented the Killeen, Texas, massacre or the slaughter at McDonald's in San Ysidro, Calif. However, an instant records check (to identify felons when they try to purchase guns from retail dealers) and better enforcement of existing laws (to turn criminals into convicted felons) might well prevent some vicious crimes. Myth No. 10: Most murders are committed by people killing friends or family members. The actual number is about one out of five. Most in-household killings are not crimes of passion. They're the culmination of years of abusive behavior, and often it is the abuser who is killed. Myth No. 11: The availability of guns contributes to crimes of passion. In about 90 percent of "crime-of-passion" domestic homicides, the police had been called in previously to break up violence. In half the cases, the police had been called in five or more times. There is no evidence that a significant number of homicides occur simply because a lethal weapon is handy. Myth No. 12: Automatic rifles and so-called assault weapons are too dangerous to be left in private hands. Over the past 50 years no civilian has ever used a legally owned machine gun in a violent crime. And despite their repeated use by drug dealers on "Miami Vice" and in the movies, no Uzi has ever been used to kill a police officer. Even gun control advocates concede that so-called assault weapons play a minor role in violent crime. Myth No. 13: Gun control laws are especially needed to prevent the purchase of "Saturday Night Specials." Inexpensive handguns are involved in only 1 to 3 percent of violent crimes, and criminals are no more likely to use one than any other type of handgun. Myth No. 14: People don't need guns for self-protection because they can rely on the police. About 83 percent of the population will be victims of violent crime at some point in their lives, and in any given year serious crime touches 25 percent of all households. Considering that, effectively, there is only one police officer on patrol for every 3,300 people, the odds are not likely to improve. And the courts have ruled that government has no duty to protect individual citizens from crime. Myth No. 15: Gun ownership is not a constitutional right. The Second Amendment reflects the founders' belief that an armed citizenry (called the "general militia") was a necessary precaution against tyranny by our own government and its army. The idea that government has a constitutional right to disarm the general citizenry is totally foreign to the intent of the Constitution's framers.
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Here are a couple of more stories all filled with facts and figures that back up pro-gun choices. They can be found here: http://www.handguncontrol.net/
I know the name makes you think something else but they're just making fun of the looney left and their ideas. Handgun Control, Inc. - A Total Stranger To The Truth http://www.handguncontrol.net/total%20stranger.htm Why gun control works! http://www.handguncontrol.net/why_gun_control_works.htm
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![]() If you took away everybodies gun in the US, criminals would still have theirs because they dont register them, the cops dont know who has illegal guns. There would always be gun trafficking, and criminals would still be able to get a gun if they wanted one. Tell me how you could stop that? |
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Yet again Twitch shows that he can't or won't debate.Also he fails to realise that there is a moderator here - me. You can, however continue to use as much meaningless abuse as you like as a substitute for credible argument.I see no merit in trying to calm an extremist thart I disagree with, particularly when he is doing such a good job of portraying the bizarre mentality of the scared and ignorant element in society.Keep going with your pathetic assertions that I am somehow anti-American, I have determined that you are not intelligent enough for your opinions to be worth shit to me. You'll notice that I don't talk this way to people like Yogs or Gotti....The reason is very simple.While we are poles apart in opinion, both of the members are intelligent enough to bring worthwhile debate to this forum You sir, are a non-contributor.Your 'opinion' can be summed up in one sentence, and it's worthless.Why don't you shape up, or ship out? |
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