The King for under $40,000

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

I still think if a Z06 can be had, it is just a superior car.

In this comparison the ZO6 is the most powerful car, but superior, I would argue that. Don't get me wrong I am very impressed with the performance of the ZO6, but the MR is also very impressive and has proven to be an awesome performance car also. I would also argue that the EVO MR could keep up with a ZO6 on the track.

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[Joseph1082]

I tend to disagree, that is Y I used the word "superior" we had the Firebird vs. Evo debate, and each has their respective advantage, but see, now with the Z06, the MR has NO advantage, it might give a damn good fight, but in the end...

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

I tend to disagree, that is Y I used the word "superior" we had the Firebird vs. Evo debate, and each has their respective advantage, but see, now with the Z06, the MR has NO advantage, it might give a damn good fight, but in the end...

Yes the ZO6 does have more power and if faster, but when you say superior I'm thinking it's build and technology is far surpass that of the EVO, and that's were I disagree. In this comparison yes the ZO6 is used so the prices of the cars are similiar, but let's not forget that the ZO6 new does cost well over $40,000. Now a $40,000 EVO FQ330 would perhaps hand a ZO6 it's ass on a race track. But your right, in this comparison the ZO6 is the better performance car, but that doesn't make it superior.

[Joseph1082]

Superior: noun, higher or greater in amount, value, rank, etc. One who is...
I'm sorry but it is superior, it may be a strong word and you may not like it, but it applies.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

Superior: noun, higher or greater in amount, value, rank, etc. One who is...
I'm sorry but it is superior, it may be a strong word and you may not like it, but it applies.

Your right don't like it, and it doesn't apply with the two cars. Yes in this comparison the ZO6 is the better performance car, but it by no means is a superiror vehicle. You see I have a feeling that you and a lot of other people on this forum seem to underestimate the performance of the EVO and EVO MR. Now look yes the ZO6 is a better performer, it does have 100HP more and if we took both cars to a dyno, I'd be willing to bet that the ZO6 even puts down more than 100HP to the wheels than the EVO MR. Yet for some reason despite this disadvantage and similiar weight of both cars, the EVO MR would hang with the ZO6 on a race track (not saying win, but it would hang with it). Now if for some reason Mitsubishi decided to release a limited edition EVO MR with 385HP, you know and I know that the ZO6 wouldn't stand a chance, that to me proves that HP for HP the EVO is the better car and also proves that the ZO6 is not superior. Look at this way, if you look at boxing, Roy Jones Jr. is (or was) considered the best pound for pound boxer in the world, now if he fought some of the top Heavy Weights in boxing, there is a good chance he could lose, does that mean the Heavy Weight Boxers are superior fighters, just mean they are bigger fighters. The same goes for the ZO6, the ZO6 would probably beat the EVO MR in race, does that mean it is superior, not to me, it just means that the EVO MR is well underpowered to the ZO6, yet it would still hang with it. Isn't it weird that a car made and bred for the race track, would have trouble shaking free from a boxy 4-Door Sedan.

[del]

well, it is quite a feat for a boxy 4 door sedan to hang with a pure sports car such as a zo6. but you don't look good doing it. looks are strictly subjective and i think the evo, and sti, are nasty looking cars but i will say their performance capabilities make up for it. would i buy an evo or sti over a Zo6??? absolutely........not. being superior is a relative term. i think the Zo6 is a better car for the purpose of going fast. put some prettier skin on an sti or evo not to mention take off those god-awful looking wings and ill definately reconsider. having a back seat and trunk space does come in handy and being fast makes it that much better of a car. an audi rs4 is the car that comes to mind but it's not in the same price range. so until then if i wanted to have a fast car with an evo and the zo6 as my choices, it wouldn't be a hard choice for me. give me the Zo6, you can have your evo. just my opinion.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by del

well, it is quite a feat for a boxy 4 door sedan to hang with a pure sports car such as a zo6. but you don't look good doing it. looks are strictly subjective and i think the evo, and sti, are nasty looking cars but i will say their performance capabilities make up for it. would i buy an evo or sti over a Zo6??? absolutely........not. being superior is a relative term. i think the Zo6 is a better car for the purpose of going fast. put some prettier skin on an sti or evo not to mention take off those god-awful looking wings and ill definately reconsider. having a back seat and trunk space does come in handy and being fast makes it that much better of a car. but until then if i wanted to have a fast car and an evo and the zo6 were my choices, it wouldn't be a hard choice for me. give me the Zo6, you can have your evo. just my opinion.

Oh yeah I agree with you, for this comparison your right the ZO6 is the better performance car. I'd take the EVO for my own personal beliefs, but I'm not blinded by biasm like other people that I can't reckonize the potential and capabilities of other cars, the ZO6 is awesome. Still superior, like you said is a relative term.

[Joseph1082]

See, it's like, someone can't make a comment w/o people jumping on you. The Z06 IS asuperior car, superior equals=more... the Z06 in EVERY area has a higher rank than the MR, did I say which was BETTER... which is a subjective term, no, I used Superior, which should have no debate... did you guys read the definiton that I posted "greater in amount" let's see, that describes the Z06 vs. MR quite well.
And if you want to bring up the limitted edition MR I'll have to mention Lingenfelter, I know you don't want to go there.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

See, it's like, someone can't make a comment w/o people jumping on you. The Z06 IS asuperior car, superior equals=more... the Z06 in EVERY area has a higher rank than the MR, did I say which was BETTER... which is a subjective term, no, I used Superior, which should have no debate... did you guys read the definiton that I posted "greater in amount" let's see, that describes the Z06 vs. MR quite well.
And if you want to bring up the limitted edition MR I'll have to mention Lingenfelter, I know you don't want to go there.

I'm sorry don't mean to sound like I'm jumping on you, but Lingenfelter is an aftermarket company not owned by GMC, so sorry doesn't count cuz if you pull out Lingenfelter than I'm bringing up HKS and I know you don't want me to bring that up. Since your pulling out definitions here's mine (from the Oxford American Dictionary) Superior- better or greater, of high or higher quality. Sorry to me the ZO6 doesn't fit my Superior definition. Of better quality I think not, because you know what I'm still not sold on a ZO6 even being a better performance car than the EVO MR anyways, and it has 100 more HP. I would love two see the two duel it out, I've seen a base Vette and base EVO go head to head on a race track, and believe me, the Vette didn't stand a chance. I can send you the DVD if you like.

[youngvr4]

what is hks gonna do better to the evo than lingenfelter can do to the vette? make it run 9.2 in the 1320 and have top speeds clear over 200mph?

[Joseph1082]

Thank you because I was thinking the same thing!!!
BTW my definition comes from the Funk & Wagnals Standard Dictionary... it has 90,000+ entries it is the most comprehensive dictionary I have.
Let's just be simple... Superior = Better, ok, everyone here can agree with that, and I think EVERYONE can agree that no matter how you slice it a Z06 is better.
I honestly think you just like to debate with people I've seen a lot of rebuttle posts from you, but stop arguing with me over pointelss s*it. No offense but the Z06 is most Definitely a better car than an Evo.

[Joseph1082]

Oh, and at the track, MUCH of the outcome is dependent on the Driver... I'm sure I could find a video of a C5 roasting an Evo, so what. I'd say those two cars are pretty even track cars.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by youngvr4

what is hks gonna do better to the evo than lingenfelter can do to the vette? make it run 9.2 in the 1320 and have top speeds clear over 200mph?

First off I already stated lingenfelter is an aftermartket company and doesn't count and talk about jumping on every word I say. What is this first were talking about the Corvette and EVO, now were going to lingenfelter. So now are we comparing aftermarket companies to aftermarket companies? Well so be it, first off what is HKS EVO gonna do better, I suggest you do some more research. Want a 9 second EVO, try Norris Designs, once again I suggest you do even more research.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

Thank you because I was thinking the same thing!!!
BTW my definition comes from the Funk & Wagnals Standard Dictionary... it has 90,000+ entries it is the most comprehensive dictionary I have.
Let's just be simple... Superior = Better, ok, everyone here can agree with that, and I think EVERYONE can agree that no matter how you slice it a Z06 is better.
I honestly think you just like to debate with people I've seen a lot of rebuttle posts from you, but stop arguing with me over pointelss s*it. No offense but the Z06 is most Definitely a better car than an Evo.

Now were comparing dictionaries? You see a lot of rebuttles from me because you see a lot of people jumping on me also. Now let's not start with the who causes arguments crap, because we could go look up your history now couldn't we and I bet you it wouldn't be sqeaky clean now would it? This really is not an argument this is a discussion, the only difference is that I like to stay on topic, but others just can't seem to do that, they start bringing up stuff like Lingenfelter and dictionaries. The ZO6 is better? like I said I don't agree with that, that's my opinion, and sorry nothing you have said has changed that. Like I said for this COMPARISON, the ZO6 and MR would be close, but let's think about things. The ZO6 brand new costs well over $40,000 to the EVO MR's under $35,000 price tag (when it comes out), I remember a day when ZO6 owners/fans use to argue with Viper owners/fans over who was better, it seemed that the ZO6 owners always pulled out the bang for the buck card, now it's being pulled out on them by, wow a boxy 4-Door Sedan and they don't know what to think. The fact is the two cars with the same HP and Same Weight, would mean a humiliating loss for the ZO6, in my book the better car is the EVO (Bang for your buck, remember that?). Still with that said let's face facts, the EVO doesn't have as much power as the ZO6, yet it still hangs and you know what I'll call it, will beat the ZO6 in a track race.

[3000ways]

Originally Posted by Joseph1082

Oh, and at the track, MUCH of the outcome is dependent on the Driver... I'm sure I could find a video of a C5 roasting an Evo, so what. I'd say those two cars are pretty even track cars.

Then find one, I'll wait patiently.... Just don't try any vids from One Lap Of America, cuz you definitly won't find any there if you know what I mean.