The Draft - Page 2

thegladhatter · 10-05-2004, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aloharocky

Draftees are some of the best soldiers because they know they'll be getting out in two years. The saying used to be, "work me as hard as you like, but you can't stop time." Another thing about draftees is that they bring skills with them, and that helps the army.

If you were a businessman, would you sink much time, effort, and money into a short-term employee, or an employee who WANTS to be and employee for the LONG haul?

Draftees bring very few skills...crimony, they are only 18-19 years old. They haven't had time to develop any skills.

The military today is NOTHING like the draftee military. I was in the military during the draft. I was there when the draft ended. Today's volunteer force is MUCH more professional...MUCH more competant.

aloharocky · 10-05-2004, 09:29 PM

Iwas there too, and the draftees were fine. I'm referring to skills such as farmer, (great in mechanized units) welders, plumbers, etc. Basic skills, yes, but they aren't a bunch of dummies that spent their youth smoking dope. TRAINABLE people. Expecting the working poor or unemployed teens to do all the dirty fighting is not only unfair, it's patronizing and snobbish.

thegladhatter · 10-06-2004, 01:25 AM

The draftees were adequate and nothing more. Todays military is eons better than the draftee forces of that era. You are right that they weren't ALL pot smoking losers, but they were NOT anything nearl what the volunteer forces are today. The military is NOT just made up of losers who can't get a job anywhere else. That is bullshit!

taranaki · 10-06-2004, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thegladhatter

Today's volunteer force is MUCH more professional...MUCH more competant.

Is that why Iraq is in chaos and they haven't found your famous WMD?

By the way,one stupid political pic in the sig is lame...the more gay little pictures you add, the more the lameness.

DGB454 · 10-06-2004, 05:30 AM

I understand the Republicans forced the draft question onto the house floor for a possible vote so they could put this democrat propaganda to rest. I guess the idea is to show that no republican will vote for the draft. Anyone else heard about this? I heard it on NPR yesterday.

YogsVR4 · 10-06-2004, 10:20 AM

No - I hadn't heard they were putting it on the floor. I didn't think it was even remotely close to getting out of committee.

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Ace$nyper · 10-06-2004, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by taranaki

Is that why Iraq is in chaos and they haven't found your famous WMD?

By the way,one stupid political pic in the sig is lame...the more gay little pictures you add, the more the lameness.

that doesn't mean there are not good at all ubarn warefare/peace keeping is one of the if not the hardest war to fight trust me a bunch of kids with less training exp would be doing alot worse.

speaking of sigs yours is a riot!

dbebesi · 10-06-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DGB454

I heard it on NPR yesterday.

that's why your info is wrong, sorry

14 demoncats put that bill up, no republicans

dayna240sx · 10-06-2004, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aloharocky

I for one hope they do bring back the draft, but only for men. Two years of military service is not too much to ask for the privilege of living in the U.S. Why should only the poor kids fight for the U.S? Let the yuppies ruck up and chip in too.

Why should the poor kids fight? Because they signed up for the military mainly so they can get their schooling for free. The "rich yuppies" worked their ass's off so they could pay for their kid's school.

This was in the paper today. I think it's complete bullshit.

"For 18 months House Republican leaders ignored the bill (about the draft), sponsored by liberal Democrats who complained that minorities and low-income Americans are doing a disproportionate share of the fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan." THEY SIGNED UP! no one forced them to join!

DGB454 · 10-07-2004, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dbebesi

that's why your info is wrong, sorry

14 demoncats put that bill up, no republicans

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4059223
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4062775

I think what you are thinking of is who actually sponsored a bill to really start a draft.

Legislation Details
'To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.'
Congress: 108
State: Federal
Chamber: House
Bill Number: H.R. 163
Sponsor: Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)

Summary : Introduced. Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

Co-sponsors:

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-MO)
Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-NY)
Rep. Fortney Stark (D-CA)
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)
Rep. Jesse Jackson (D-IL)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL)
Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL)
Rep. John Lewis (D-GA)
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD)
Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA)
Rep. James Moran (D-VA)
Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC)
Rep. Donna Christensen (D-VI)

What I am referring to is who is pushing for the vote to prove that that they are against it.(republicans)

aloharocky · 10-07-2004, 01:09 PM

Charlie Rengel of New York {D} brought up the draft issue just to stir up trouble. NO Republicans have even mentioned it.

dbebesi · 10-07-2004, 04:53 PM

DGB454, don't worry... God loves stupid people too.

Marc04 · 10-07-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dbebesi

that's why your info is wrong, sorry

Ok may i ask what is wrong with NPR?

DGB454 · 10-08-2004, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dbebesi

DGB454, don't worry... God loves stupid people too.

Then you must be his favorite.

Is that your arguement? That's how you debate and discuss? That's how you go about proving your point?

You are pretty much worthless on these forums aren't you?

DGB454 · 10-08-2004, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by aloharocky

Charlie Rengel of New York {D} brought up the draft issue just to stir up trouble. NO Republicans have even mentioned it.

Reguardless of his reasoning to draw up a draft bill he is still a democrat bringing a draft bill to congress. All the co-sponsors of the bill are all democrats. This is what we pay them to do is to stir up trouble when they are in session? They don't have real work to do? Sounds like a bunch of kids. THen they have the nerve to say that republicans want the draft and that they are pushing for a draft. Same crap from politicians but just a different day. These people are a bunch of worthless liers. (I'm not limiting that last statement to democrats.)

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