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Old 02-10-2007, 12:54 PM
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Lightbulb Engine Running On Hydroxy Gas From Water

Hi, My Question Is Based On Past Research About The Truth Of Running An Engine Using A Mixture Of Hydrogen And Oxygen Called Hydroxy Or Brown Gas.

It Known That In An Enough Dimension Electrolizer (15 By 15 By 16 Rectangular) And A Modified Engine To Run The Gas Properly (change The Valve, Header And Exhaust For Stainless Stell Ones) On Electronic We Introduce A Plc Wich Controls Some Inputs As Water Level, Pressure On Electrolizer, Current On Electrolizer, Etc Is Possible To Use Water As Fuel Base Element, But All Oil Interest Doesnt Let This Technology To Grow.

Is That Possible?
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Re: Engine Running On Hydroxy Gas From Water

No. H2O is held together by incredibly strong bonds. It takes as much energy to separate them as you get back when you recombine them in combustion. That's a chemical fact. Gasoline or another combustible fuel exists already at a high state of energy. All it takes is a tiny bit of ignition and it burns.

Let's take an example using fake numbers. Lets say it takes 100 joules of energy to split H and O. That means you get back 100 joules when it burns. Even if you have an engine that is 90% efficient (highly unlikely) then its not even enough to support its own combustion, let alone move a car or drive accessories. You need 100% of that energy to return to the tank and electrolyze the water. Friction, heat loss, sound energy, and just the operation of the car itself will use some of that energy and it won't be able to sustain itself.

Asking a car to electrolyze water only to burn it is like filling your tank with exhaust and asking the car to turn it back into gasoline to burn. You're asking for a perpetual motion machine and its not physically possible.

I have friends in the oil industry, including one engineer for ExxonMobil. There are no huge oil conspiracies. Sure, they're in bed with W and they're ruthless money whores, but they aren't squashing the hopes of every inventor in the world... and trust me, I'd be the first to believe a conspiracy.

Oil companies see the writing on the walls and they are using billions of our tax dollars to be the pioneers of alternative fuels. That's their business. If they stick with oil, they're putting their faith in a sinking ship. Instead they are all feverishly working to be competitive after oil is dead. You don't hear about it because its in their best interest to not discuss it, but trust me... in a few decades when oil is really running out, you'll start to see commercials as plentiful as drug ads from the major oil companies releasing their new alternative fuel system and how they are wonderful. GE is already starting that, but the oil companies don't want to start too soon. Oil is big business so why spring new green technology on us when there's still black gold to be sold for big profits. That's like a car dealer abandoning all of his trucks to sell cars. Finish selling the trucks first or you're staring at wasted money.
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Re: Engine Running On Hydroxy Gas From Water

Ok, Oil Bussiness Have Alternatives Ways When The Oil Finish, But Why The Most Of The People That Have Got Positive Advance On The Project To Run An Engine Using Water As Fuel Source Have Experimented Rare Fatal Consequences In Their Lives And Not On The Proyect, On Personal Lives I Mean.
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Re: Engine Running On Hydroxy Gas From Water

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Ok, Oil Bussiness Have Alternatives Ways When The Oil Finish, But Why The Most Of The People That Have Got Positive Advance On The Project To Run An Engine Using Water As Fuel Source Have Experimented Rare Fatal Consequences In Their Lives And Not On The Proyect, On Personal Lives I Mean.
It is not "oil conspiracy" getting in the way of running a car on water. It's the laws of physics. There is no-one who has made anything run on water (other than a steam engine). Despite what they may tell you and other "potential investors".

There are many layers of BS surrounding claims of engines running on water. There's little point in even starting to try and unravel them.
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Re: Engine Running On Hydroxy Gas From Water

This topic is such a dead horse.

For YEARS people who don't have a clue about chemistry and physics ask why you can't run a car on water. Then those of us with chem and phys degrees explain why. Then the uneducated usually completely skim over the facts, claim an oil conspiracy, and then go back to thinking the car works.

Trust me, if it worked there would be some.... and if you start quoting the fox news report about the guy who did it, you're more of an idiot than I give you credit for

It can't happen. Period. If you find ways of unraveling the laws of physics in the known universe, then I urge you to build one.
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