Who else exagerated the claims of iraq?

[MR2-AW11]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3576905.stm

Who other then the bestest of US allies.

I should rather say made up/agenda, rather then exagerated.. but anyways..

[DGB454]

Blah Blah Blah. Same stuff different day.

[Flatrater]

Same shit different day time to move on!

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Same shit different day time to move on!

I don't think it's quite time to move on yet... Bush made countless statements he couldn't back up, every night practically. They've all turned out to be false, his intelligence experts say that's what they were telling him all along, his weapons inspectors in Iraq have gone home, saying there are no WMD's, and there most likely haven't been any since '98.

That means he was feeding us a big crock of shit, and if I was an American citizen, I'd probably be pretty pissed off about it. Being a Canadian citizen however, I just laughed when I heard the claims in the first place, as did most other non Americans.

[Pick]

Originally Posted by Cbass

That means he was feeding us a big crock of shit, and if I was an American citizen, I'd probably be pretty pissed off about it. Being a Canadian citizen however, I just laughed when I heard the claims in the first place, as did most other non Americans.

Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right? You cocky, arrogant, fascist POS. You're so much more righteous than us Americans right?

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by Pick

Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right? You cocky, arrogant, fascist POS. You're so much more righteous than us Americans right?

What caused this outburst? Was it the criticism of Israeli intelligence or the endless stream of lies revealed?

Your anger should be directed at those who lied to you rather than at those who tried to warn you.

The time to clean house is well overdue. The people of the US have done it before and they can do it again - if they act before it's too late.
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With regard to the article itself. It seems like the Israelis had their own version of the "Office of Special Plans". The tactic used in both intelligence communities is commonly known a stove-piping. They need to clean house as well.

If you are unaware of the "Office of Special Plans" then this link will enlighten you:
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news1/kwiatkowski.html

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Pick

Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right? You cocky, arrogant, fascist POS. You're so much more righteous than us Americans right?

Hmmm. Since I agree with him, am I all of those too? I'm American. I served my country in Desert Storm.

I served my state as a Corrections Officer.

I was also a spoiled, rich brat like you, that decided to find his own way in the world. My dad is still conservative, and frankly, so am I. You consider yourself one...then why are you supporting a war that has LIBERAL stamped all-over it?

FYI: I was for the war. But in hindsight, my support was gained by nothing more than lies, which REALLY irks me. Besides, a TRUE conservative would've kicked-ass, and went home. None of this spending billions of American taxpayer money for "rebuilding", when most of the world's money (in the form of oil) probably lies underneath the sand of Iraq.

Read this: http://theboywhocriediraq.com/

I love the comparisons to Thir Reich. BTW, you DO know that Dubya's Grandpaw, Prescott Bush was the Director of a bank that was investigated, and had funds seized for having financed Adolph Hitler, right? http://www.thedubyareport.com/family.html#prescott Here it is, also, from the Administration mouthpiece itself, FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

As a matter of fact, I think I will start a new thread, detailing the Bush-Nazi connection timeline I found.

You're a capitalistic, daddy's-money-sucking kinda guy right? (From the recent assessments of you I've read, at least, as I haven't been visiting here long) Where in the near, far or ANY future do you see any return on our 87-billion (and counting) "investment" in Iraq?

[deadlight]

Originally Posted by Pick

Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right? You cocky, arrogant, fascist POS. You're so much more righteous than us Americans right?

Shit like this makes me ashamed to be American at times, "Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right?" Well, the rest of your post says all signs point to yes.

[Pick]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Hmmm. Since I agree with him, am I all of those too? I'm American. I served my country in Desert Storm.

I served my state as a Corrections Officer.

I was also a spoiled, rich brat like you, that decided to find his own way in the world. My dad is still conservative, and frankly, so am I. You consider yourself one...then why are you supporting a war that has LIBERAL stamped all-over it?

FYI: I was for the war. But in hindsight, my support was gained by nothing more than lies, which REALLY irks me. Besides, a TRUE conservative would've kicked-ass, and went home. None of this spending billions of American taxpayer money for "rebuilding", when most of the world's money (in the form of oil) probably lies underneath the sand of Iraq.

Read this: http://theboywhocriediraq.com/

I love the comparisons to Thir Reich. BTW, you DO know that Dubya's Grandpaw, Prescott Bush was the Director of a bank that was investigated, and had funds seized for having financed Adolph Hitler, right? http://www.thedubyareport.com/family.html#prescott Here it is, also, from the Administration mouthpiece itself, FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

As a matter of fact, I think I will start a new thread, detailing the Bush-Nazi connection timeline I found.

You're a capitalistic, daddy's-money-sucking kinda guy right? (From the recent assessments of you I've read, at least, as I haven't been visiting here long) Where in the near, far or ANY future do you see any return on our 87-billion (and counting) "investment" in Iraq?

You're couldn't be more wrong. What you've read is a complete shot in the dark, bullshit opinion of some guy 1500 miles forom where I live. He doesn't know me and I don't know him. SO DON'T FREAKING ASSUME THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE! I'm not interested in hearing you guys bullshit about my character, so let's stay on topic. This is pissing me off. I don't wnat anymore stupid-ass guessing games on why I am conservative, so lay off.

If you are conservative as you say and you vote for Kerry, you are A) plain ignorant B) not a conservative 3) so blinded by the fallicies of George Bush you will vote for a guy 10 times worse than him or 4) blinded by your senseless "investigations" that you post about on here all the time.

Take a damn minute and realize that Kerry is the MOST LIBERAL PERSON IN THE WHOLE DAMN GOVERNMENT. He is a turn-coat, a liar, a coward, and an immoral bastard.

Hey, you served in Desert Storm, so I guess you have the right to say all this. But I guarantee you are about 1 or 2% of veterans that want John Kerry in office. You ought to hate the guy for what he has done to this country.

[Pick]

Originally Posted by deadlight

Shit like this makes me ashamed to be American at times, "Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right?" Well, the rest of your post says all signs point to yes.

Read the arrogant context of his post and then tell me that this guy's underlying message is not that us americans are stupid band-wagon followers. You should be ashamed if you agree with this guy on anything.

[deadlight]

And your post wasn't arrogant how?

[carnut]

I know it, and I would guess most other people know it's all about oil. Would you rather be riding in a buggy behind a horse swatting at flies? Yes it's an unpopular conflict now, but most everyone supported it at the time. If you didn't think it was about oil, why aren't we attacking Pakistan, India, China, etc.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by carnut

I know it, and I would guess most other people know it's all about oil. Would you rather be riding in a buggy behind a horse swatting at flies? Yes it's an unpopular conflict now, but most everyone supported it at the time. If you didn't think it was about oil, why aren't we attacking Pakistan, India, China, etc.

Aside from the oil motive, Pakistan, India and China actually do have WMD - great big !@#$-off shiny ones.

[T4 Primera]

Originally Posted by Pick

...I'm not interested in hearing you guys bullshit about my character, so let's stay on topic. This is pissing me off. I don't wnat anymore stupid-ass guessing games on why I am conservative, so lay off.

Remind me again who started the personal insults in this thread? Don't dish it if you can't take it!

Originally Posted by Pick

......If you are conservative as you say and you vote for Kerry, you are A) plain ignorant B) not a conservative 3) so blinded by the fallicies of George Bush you will vote for a guy 10 times worse than him or 4) blinded by your senseless "investigations" that you post about on here all the time.........

......Hey, you served in Desert Storm, so I guess you have the right to say all this. But I guarantee you are about 1 or 2% of veterans that want John Kerry in office. You ought to hate the guy for what he has done to this country.

There you go again trying to categorize people into tidy little pigeon holes. (e.g. the Bush vs Saddam poll) Life's not so simple and neither are people.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by Pick

Yeah, because we're just the stupid Americans right? You cocky, arrogant, fascist POS. You're so much more righteous than us Americans right?

Read the arrogant context of his post and then tell me that this guy's underlying message is not that us americans are stupid band-wagon followers. You should be ashamed if you agree with this guy on anything.

Pick, you just can't make up your mind about me, can you! I've gone from a bleedingheart liberal to an arrogant fascist, how does that work?

It's a natural reaction to trust what you're told by the government of your country, after all, they're entrusted with more power than anyone else, so that they can make the right decisions and act in the best interests of the people.

When the people you have entrusted to act for you, and in your interests, lie to you to garner your support for an action that serves only their own narrow interests, at incredible expense to your people of life, diplomatic relations with the rest of the world, and hundreds of billions of dollars, that might just irk you a little bit. It would certainly piss me off.

I don't trust the US government, I see no reason to, they have a long standing record of saying one thing, doing another, and presenting it to the American people as justified with fecicious reasoning, and often outright lies. As a Canadian, I'm well acquainted with these practices, because I see the effects of them daily. So unlike you, I don't hold a rosey view of the Bush adminstration. I hated the Clinton administration, and Bush's regime is easily twice as despicable.

You have misconstrued all of this, because you want me to be anti-American, so you can just label as a bigot, and not have to think that maybe, just *maybe* there are justifiable reasons behind my opinion, which while opposed to yours completely, carries just as much merit. I'm not going to say my opinion is more informed than yours, as that *would* be arrogant, but my opinion is informed from different sources than yours is. You write off my viewpoint and opinion as anti-American, without even considering how I might have REACHED that perspective. That is profoundly ignorant, and arrogant.

Frankly, I'm sick of hearing your offensive and inflammatory remarks. You never have anything to add to a discussion, you just start an argument based on your ideals, and end up pissing everyone off. This is the third time you've personally insulted me, and it'll be the last time.