Justifiable Murder.

[Steel]

I Believe that if someone breaks into my house, intent on robbery or murder, *I* have the right to shoot them, kill them even without warning. I dont understand how people can't see it my way. Its the same as if you are aobut to streetrace. You know it's illegal and the police certanly arent gonna warn you before they arrest you, why should it be any different in a vigilante situation?

You break into my house, you're gonna get shot. Period.
You try to carjack me, you're gonna get shot. Period.
You try to mug me on a dark street, you're gonna get shot. Period.

Why should i give a shit about someone else's life if that someone else obviously didnt give a shit aobut mine? I believe that If some does/tries to wrong me like that, i should be albe to kill them with no consequence other than praise from others. Afterall, its another dirtbag gone, right? I tell you, crime would rapidly go down as scumbag criminals get shot for their own stupidity.

I'm just waiting to moce to a state where i can legally own automatic weapons.

Anyhoo, how many agree, disagree, on the fence?

[Atomis27]

Agree here.

If someone tries to deny or take from me my right to life, than I'm going to take theirs, plain and simple.

BTW, in the state of Alabama, it's more legally wrong not to kill a thug in the defense of someone else than to kill that thug.

[YogsVR4]

Let me say that I have no sympathy for the wrong doers. However, I do think that you shouldn't use any more force then you actually need to stop the act or get away. As an example, if someone says get out of the car while you sitting there and you could just hit the gas and speed away. Do that - dont pull out your .45 and cap the bastard.

Again, if someone dies because you had to do what it takes to protect yourself or your family (etc) then you've got my support and understanding.

[NSX]

I see what you guys are saying, & where you're headed;
But life is more complicated than that...at times.

What if the carjacker was carjacking some rich dude who has like 10 billion cars already; and they were stealing it to rush someone they know to the hospital (no cellphones).

Life is more than If then, else if statements. I know it sucks to be robbed of something, that's why we really have to get the kids of the ghettos and such, so that they have an equal chance in life like most of us. It all starts with the children.

[SniperX13]

with that type of mentality, you stand a high chance or seeing the inside of a jail cell. I work in Corrections, and I see that type of mentality every day, and it gets the inmates no where fast. The only force needed, is the minimal needed to get the job done. Is a car, which is insured worth another mans life? sure, it sucks rocks to have it taken, and I would be pissed as hell to have mine stolen, but I am not going to go and kill the guy because he stole my car. I'd rather watch him sit in that jail cell and suffer for a few years ..... meanwhile, I'm out driving in my NEW car, that the insurance money paid for

[Graphik Styles]

just a thought.........how would the judges know if to convict a person......if the person that shot the other person said that he was being mugged and it was in self defense.........how would the judge know who to convict....?

[texan]

consistency of the story, corroborating evidence, witnesses (if any). The science of recreating crime scenes is very sophisticated these days.

Besides, the important thing to this discuussion is not whether one could legally do somehing, but whether or not this type of behavior is morally acceptable.

[Ace$nyper]

i think its ok cause people who break into houses and the such aren't like cat-burgerlers on cartoons there probbly druggies or somthing and are dangerous I know if i needed to i'd test my .303 out on his skull or my .45 or my .40 or my well you get the point but i'd be like dude lie down i'm calling the cops if he did i'll let the cops take him away any funny stuff well he'll meet mr happy i think its fair. Its a last resort and should not be taken away cause when its time for the trigger to be pulled its you or them no questions no rambo shit in real life.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

the only thing with that is you're as bad as they are for having no respect for life. You shoot them they die you should be punished for being an idiot and taking out your gun.

Now if they try to kill you then they forfeit their lifes.

[Steel]

Originally posted by SniperX13
with that type of mentality, you stand a high chance or seeing the inside of a jail cell. I work in Corrections, and I see that type of mentality every day, and it gets the inmates no where fast. The only force needed, is the minimal needed to get the job done. Is a car, which is insured worth another mans life? sure, it sucks rocks to have it taken, and I would be pissed as hell to have mine stolen, but I am not going to go and kill the guy because he stole my car. I'd rather watch him sit in that jail cell and suffer for a few years ..... meanwhile, I'm out driving in my NEW car, that the insurance money paid for

I dont have theft insurance

And anyway i figure its an unwritten rule that if you (a wrongdoer) decides to do wrong, you run the risk of getting seriously injured.

NSX: no offense, but taht situation is very unlikely. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to steal someons car at gunpoint for hospital reasons when they can stop the car, and ask for assistance, where they could get an ambulance and blah blah.. see what i mean?

Why do criminals have it so easy these days? I mean seriously, I don't speed becasue i fear the long arm of the law. How many more dead clerks behind the quick-e-mart register is it going to take for people to realize that these scumbags don't understand anything else but force? Why do *I* have to sit by idly and just let this stuff happen to me?

And don't kid yourself if you think 1 or 2 years is gonna change the way those scumbags behave. For some of them, yes, but most of them are gonna go right back to a life of crime and adding to the poverty.

I'll admit that maybe going so far as deadly force may be a bit too far. But all crooks be warned, you mess with me, the BEST thing that's going to happen to you is the doctors wrenching out a .45 slug from your knee.

The only problem with NOT killing them is then it becomes his word vs. yours. And we all know how fucked up the judicial system in this country can be, i.e. you losing the case and being sued by the same person who tried to harm you in the first place.

[2strokebloke]

Go ahead and shoot them. Kill enough people and you'll only end up being executed too.
People these days are so incredibly idiotic - violence is the solution to every thing - robbers break into the house - shoot them. Jehova's witnesses come over - shoot them. Car breaks down - shoot it. Broken leg? - that's right shoot it. Don't like your sandwich? - shoot it. Hell shoot everything and everyone - because he may not be robbing your house now - but until he's dead, how can you be sure he never will rob your house?

Nobody has ever broken into my home except for me - and I doubt anybody else ever will. I leave my car unlocked most of the time - nobody has ever stolen it. Sure I have had things stolen - but I don;t think a couple of my hard earned dollars would justify me taking somebody's life, do you? Maybe not taking their life - but for all intents and purposes, a large board with a nail in it is a better way to teach a lesson than a lethal weapon is.

[Jay!]

ROFL; isn't that what Elvis did?

I believe that some crimes warrant capital punishment. Robbery, for example, is not one of those crimes. Assault, maybe; it depends...

I think we need more effective non-leathal weapons. Just incapacitate everyone until the story's sorted out...

[2strokebloke]

I was going to add "then you'd be as logical as Elvis" but I didn't think that anybody would get that.
On topic: I mean, I wouldn't kill somebody for stealing my wallet, or even breaking into my house... if they attacked me or another person however, that's a completely different situation.

[taranaki]

Originally posted by SniperX13
with that type of mentality, you stand a high chance or seeing the inside of a jail cell. I work in Corrections, and I see that type of mentality every day, and it gets the inmates no where fast. The only force needed, is the minimal needed to get the job done. Is a car, which is insured worth another mans life? sure, it sucks rocks to have it taken, and I would be pissed as hell to have mine stolen, but I am not going to go and kill the guy because he stole my car. I'd rather watch him sit in that jail cell and suffer for a few years ..... meanwhile, I'm out driving in my NEW car, that the insurance money paid for

Brings to mind a case of armed robbery and attempted murder here in NZ....Drug user held up a liquor store.The offender did the usual gun -brandishing routine,the counterhand did what he was trained to do ,comply with the robber's instructions and put your own safety before the contents of the till...He laid down behind the counter,the robber removed the cash....and then attempted to execute the victim.Had the crim had anything larger than a .22 in his hand,the clerk would now be dead.I agree with Yogs that you should take only whatever steps are neccesary to get out of the situattion,but in some cases that would definitely include fighting back.

[Steel]

Originally posted by 2strokebloke

Nobody has ever broken into my home except for me -

Well buddy, I have. Luckily I wasn't there (or my family) but the feeling you get when your shit is missing is the absolute pits.

I'd much rather NOT have to shoot anyone, just let the people know i have the means and use that as a deterrent. Heck maybe i should just hang a sign on my door that says "Dear theives and crims, you're uninvited entering warrants the risk of your getting shot. Consider yourself warned." And if they still do it, i think they deserve it.

why should *I* have to live in fear? Why can't I make the *crims* live in fear of me?

And i think you took it a little too far of shoot everyone and everything to make sure its not gonna rob me. We're both pretty smart guys (well you may not agree, but whatever). I'm not gonna go around shooting anything that displeases me. However there is a BIG difference between displeasing me, and outright threatening me.

I'm not trying to put across that i'm a cold blooded killer. Given the situation taht some crim is in my house, i'd most likely pull the gun, and hope they run. If they do, fine. Let them rob someone elses house. But to huddle in my closet with my wife (well, not married yet, but just go with me here) while my hard earned stuff is being stolen by someone who could or could not be possessing a weapon is not for me. I *refuse* to be a criminals bitch. Absolutley refuse. Like i said, I don't wanna have to live in fear of them, I want them to live in fear of me and hopefully their knowledge of my arms will make them think twice.

Something I just thought of, one of those Scandinavian countries requires every home to have an assault rifle IIRC. How are the crime rates there?

Im all honesty, imagine if every household had a longarm, properly locked away from the kids. And the crims knew this. You think theft and assaults would be as high? Imagine if every college girl carried a pistol easy access with them, and had training on depolying it and using it. I bet a lot of would be rapists would think twice before trying to rape the girl carrying the .44.

I dunno, but i just think that if all the smart and eligible had the active defense, personal crims would go down.