Camaro Reliability

[-cy-]

I am looking into 94-96ish Z28's or Formula (firebird of course), with the 6 speed. The thing is i read a consumer reports thing that said they had terrible reliability. I am looking at a '95-'99 Mustang GT b/c of price and its a nice car, but i like the f-body more. The thing is consumer reports sorta scared me away from the car, i am afraid to go with it because of problems. This car is going to be my daily driver and i will need it to last for years. Is the bad reputation of older gen f-bodies hurting the rep of the new ones? I need advice, thanks.

[Blackbird01]

The F-Body got a bad reputation from the late 70's - early 80's.

Since the 90's, GM has built the F-Body VERY well!

I've owned both a '99 Firebird and now my '01 Trans Am WS6 and NEVER had a problem with EITHER of them....
If you really want an F-Body, get one and I promise you won't regret it.
Especially when you realize that all the Ford guys are lookin' at your taillights!

[blacksnake98]

Geez Blackbird, not all ford guys, all the time!!!

[Blackbird01]

hehehe, I know.
I know a LOT of people with some seriously fast Fords.
How about a '90 Notch with a 331 Stroker with a Turbo mated to a C6 at a 4000 stall....Mmmm, leaving the line making full boost!
Oh man, it's a sweet car. I just like bustin you Ford owners' balls!

[bluez28guy]

Don't abuse her (too much) and she will be loyal. Consumer Reports gets their number from Corp offices and all they see is a sheet of paper that says a certin amount of cars (under warrenty) are having trouble and have been brought in for various repairs. Guess who owns 75% of these cars? Young guys with too much car and too little brain. Its a bad combo and in turn the Camaro gets a bad rep.

[Murco]

I've owned a 1989 IROC since new. It has been a woderful car mechanically only stranding me once with a dead battery in it's 130K miles. The paint wasn't as good though, as GM switched to the water-borne paint that year and my car was repainted 4 times under warranty. It never did look right until I spent big bucks for a ground-up refinishing.
The body squeaked and felt flimsy sometimes before I welded-in subframe connectors. In 1992 I started hopping-it-up and now have a 420 hp beast that is still a blast to drive, gets 26 mpg on the highway, and starts-up every morning.
Maintainence and restraint are the keys to keeping a Camaro alive and yourself happy. Dog it, and it will bite you!
Russ

[Spyk]

Hey Russ now it 420 hp i sorry that last year.. didn't like the deleusional incoherant part on the Jeta thread. by hthe wway a chi is the way to go... my spec v i heaard form Nismo Japan already has a 40 whp chio coming ..price unknown.. but if you figure you jettaweigh in a t 300lbs more you'll need a 70hp boost from you chip if we beleive the severa aerticle that ay they are pretty dead even.. C'mon not bad for a 4 banger thats not ricey.. oh i get the car back today i know our bet is off( even though i should get the money

about the 3 and 4th gen Camaroes,, they are fine so long as you maintain them,, they were designed to be driven hard cars that flywheel from 325to 375 aren't meant to be grocery getter.. and the Ford gys always see my tail lights i've yet to lose too a ford and i'm 37-1 overall

[GTStang]

Spyk come round me I got a Ford we'll see if you can show tailights

[Spyk]

I've redynoed so i have more hp. bettterplanatary gear ration higher shtal a beeter auto the 4l80 e uis no the standard 4l60 e cammed amtch ported stock vavles are 2.02 a 1.60.. i really dont think you wana do this but for fun i',m game i even have 150lhs of weight reduction.. a dana posi rear end.. we can keep it for fun i don't want to take you mony my 60' times are inthe 1.5x midish

Its areal rocker many 03 conra with e diablo exahst no cats nitto's and intake,,the lighning maf have bnen victims .. i'm just warning you i know afr head are aesome.. but i really don't think they outflow the Ls1 even in a 347 srocke.. it might be close but even my ls1 edit 1 IT PLOT A/F AND TINING EVERY 200RPMAR WOT.S IT TAKE 2 DATS TO GET IT RIGHT ITH A pc AND A LABTOP A SAN MASTER the sPiDer lpe intake that match ported as well as the slp ful length.. if your in Forida.. i live i mile from Steeda so i geto race all the s/c STANGS AND WANA BE'S. IF YOUR CLOSE I'LL MEAT YOU ATTHE TOWERS IN DAVIE..

AND I HAVE EC=VERY BOLTON YOU CAN HAVE ALONG WITH REAL RAM AIR WERE UNNELS GO RIGHT INTO YOU AIRBOX AND ARE SEAALED CREATING 1.23 BPSI AT 95 MPH PULLEYS , FLYWHEEL YOU ANAME IT THIS wS6 HAS IT BUT I WON'T GO ANYTHING BUUT nA .. I HVE A DRY NOS YSTEM INSTALED BUT THERE IS NO BOTTLE SO PEOPLE KOW DON'T CHEAT GRANATELI COLD AIR CUSTO CALIBRATED MAF . UNDERDRIVE PULLEYS B NO CATS REAL DUAL EXHAUST .SPINTECH MUFFLERS... SSHE IS A MACHINE

FOR FON WHY NOT MOBIL INTHE CRAN AMSOL INTHE TRANNY AND REDLINE INTHE REAR END 65/35 WATER TO ANTIFREEZE MIX ,,

2 BOTTES OF WATER WETTER OH THE MAF/ CNC PORTEDR TB KNIFE EGED
GROUND DOWN CENTER POEST AND TTHROTTLE STP GROUD FOR 100% OPENING NOTLIKE THE STOCK TH THAT ONLY OPE TO 85% AT WOT

LETS SEE WAHT ELSE

SBFEM 3 POINT CONNECTORS. STRUT TOWER 3POINT,, G R PANHARD BAR G2 ROREU AR 1LE SWAY BAR DIMENSION 1 INCH DROP EIBACH SPRINS ADJUSTABLE REAR AIR BAD
315 35 17 NIIO'S
POLY BUSHINGS ALL AROND




ND THE UNDE CARRIAGE IS SEALED WITHROOF FLASHINING FOR BETTER DRG COEFICIENT AND DOWNFORCW AND BATTERY KIT INTHE TRUNK/ REAR REAR SEAT DELEAT COSTOM ELAGANT MAJOR WIGHT REDUCTION
AND A 100 WAT SYSTEM 550OF WHICH WAS PIGGYBACKED ONTO THE EXSISTING mONSON 2 SOFT DOME (NO WEIGH0 AND I 10" SUB( ABOUT 10 LBS) FREE AIR

stANGS AND YOU ARE LIGHTER EVEN THOUthat plots every 100rpm and NOW THTAT YOU KNOW ARE YOU SURE WE CAN DO IT FOR FUN I DOUBT MY RECORD WILL CHANGE BUT EERY HAS A HANCE I'M NOT THAT OCKY.. YOU MIGHT DO WELL BUT BEAT ME FOR SOME RESON UNLESS YOU MO LIST IS MISSING SOMETHING,, DO I HAVE TOSAY IS

OH THE CAM IS A REVESRSE SPLIT CAM 230/224.575/.563111LSA.. POWER BAND IS 2200 TO 6800 OH AND A REV KIT NOLOGY WIRES A RE bERU sILERSTONE PLUG...PURE SILVER PLUGS A ND TH NOLOGY WIRES ARE CAPACITIVE,,THEY STORE ENERGY

I'VE INVESTED ALOT.. THAT WHY I CANMAKE A BOLDSTATEMENT THAT NO STANG HAS EVER BEAT ME EVER IN 2 YEARLIING NEST TO sTEDA.. I'M NOT FLAMING YOU BUT I AM SURLY CONFIDANT.NOT NERVOUS AT ALL
iF YOU ARE IN SO FLORIDA WHERE I S DYNOED AND DYNO DOE NOT TAKE INTO ACUNT THE 1.25 PSI FROM THE RMA AIR
I DYNOD AT 83 DEGEES WITH57% BHUMIDIDY

IF YOUR SMART YOU CAN FGURE HOW LOW MY DYNO IS TO SAY ANON HUMIT 65-68 DEGREE DAY.. I KNOW YOU ARE A SAART GUY ANYONE SMART ENOUGHTO GO TO aRT cAR IS ACHAMP IN MY BOOK

PEAC AND IF YOUR CLOSE GOOD LUCK...NOT T BE COCKY YOU'LLNEED IT.. WHAT IF I SPOT YOU 6 CARS FOR MONEY??? SORRY I NEED MODS FOR THE ZR1 ..AND BY THE AY CAN YOU GO 170= IN YOUR CAR THE WS6 AN WITHOUT FLATING TIGHT AS A VIRGINE

[-cy-]

Hey, you are running the TR230/224 111LSA also? I'm running it on my '98 M6 Formula. I haven't had tuning yet, and i'm only running 3.73's, but its still pretty nice so far.

[Spyk]

fORMULA THAT COOL YOU GOT IT TOUGH THUNDER RACING??
GT 4-5GYS AND BUYR TE LS1 EDIT. I'S SO __CING AZINF ITWILLDO THING FOR YOU YO CAN'T IMAGINE..

YEAH THE 6M CA AHNDLE THE 4.10'S EASILY.. BUTHRE AUTO STERT WITH 3.23.. AND THE 3.73 IS PERFECT FOR IT...ANY HIGHER AND I'D LOSE TIME SO YOU REDLINE AT 6800?

I'VE GONE OVER MY TRANNY WITH MECHANICAL ENGINEERS AND THEY SAY IT CLOSE TOPERFECT ..IT THEY MADE A 3.90.. THAT WOULD BE PERFECT
COOL YO LIKE TO CHECK UP ON THE STANGS TO... nA THE LS1 IS THE SH_T. WIT I DID MY HEADS AT TETIME DO YOU HAVE A REV KIT THAT HELPS OUT THETHE RSC BY LIKE 30 HP
GLAD TO MEAT YA

[-cy-]

I need to either spill the cash and buy LS1edit, or just take it in for dyno tuning. I want to get heads, if i do i'm going for some stage II heads, and those prices are getting up there.

I bough an extra 10 bolt with the 3.73's in it, which the guy told me where 4.10s (i didn't take off the differential cover to see the stamp on the pinion). But its ok, the 3.73's are still decent.

If i can, before i leave for school i might sell the formula and buy a daily driver corolla/civic (something cheap, economic, reliable) and then have a sport bike to ride around (i'll be in a more rural area). I love my formula though.

[Spyk]

CY

if you are anything like the f-bad owners down here your Formulaitalmot mint..

a 98 Formula isn't gonna command alt of moey( though it should) maybe 11-13k tops... i'm serios

your Sport bide (wihitch i almost bought on) is gonn run yo about 6-8 k new... that doesn't jeave you will alot of doe


Yeah you no doing the heads when you did the cam .. imean its the labor that'll kill you..look on the clessified of LS1.com

And for god s sakeyour more than half way thei . the Formula's look cool.. weigh a litle lesd ( than a t/a

If you realy do sell it and its in goo shae.. ( hell i know you beat on it that does not matter)..give me a numer maybe we can work ut a deal.... i'll warn you it won't be a 1/4 mile care i'll make it an Autocrosses..ok a little drag


and the Ls1 edit yo need to get it witha couple of other f-bod owner .. buying it yourself(imean its awesome but the price is like almost for heads)

If you ever do get the ls1 edit.. selling your car will be a passsing memory... yeah its that good.. dude that cam should alon have made your car a monsteralong withthe 3.73 .ok not the best gear for the 6m but you can wind out if you have suficient torque and hp and the right cam****..
Not alot of guys pick that cam hows your idle.. cause you can drill a hole in the Tb plateand that might take care of alot of you ills

whatever you do Cy.. good luck and Never ever let them Stang boys win..lol

take care Amigo

Sgt Al Camo FHP

yes its good to have an SS interceptor speed when ever i want and carry a gun. all legal. life doesn't get much better for me


lol
take a guess on which car i never give a ticket to... any way its hard enough to catch em being they have a moded ls1 while the interceptor has the slp police pacage exaust/intake.. wow
but i put in a few left over in my car when i can

[Murco]

Originally posted by Spyk

Sgt Al Camo FHP

yes its good to have an SS interceptor speed when ever i want and carry a gun. all legal. life doesn't get much better for me

FHP? Florida Highway Patrol?

[Spyk]

Had to keep you geusing Walker

the hours i keep

keeping in top shape..defense classes

now the last name is scammbled and i won't give out the troop but surprise Murco

Your not the only won "politicaly connected"

CApt egeli will vouch fo me..if you chose to persue..

that why meting me in person face to face.. knowing that most of my one step kiilling techiques are quite rusty

i would ot have arrested you .. you've been checked out Marine

anywon who wear a uniform to Honor this country .. is allright byme..we just have to much testosterone..and passion

that why street racing isn't a problem for me..since i mostly take out the high enf or highly modded importstey get quite the ticket count

ya see i don't leach off the system after all.. i just led you to belive it..and from the pict realy what do i ilook ike.. high and tight in top shape at almost 40.. it is for a reason


oh as far as Honor don't you think you should appologize about 1 me being a kid
2. me not owning real muscle.. ohad even a top Zr1 expert thati show my pict too said its imosible from thatangle to say its not a Zr1 ..and since he had the actaul photo.. the 3k paint and bodykit his word not mie forthe miles on the car the car looks brand new i'llget you a dig photo in he Future.. still love torun for fun.. the origisnl bet first then the iroc clone.forfun and meet you..no officail titles involved

sorry i hadto bend the truth but in my profesion names addresses and whatnot aren't the right thing to giveout to a unknown.. you said yourself yousuffer from ptsd.. sowho know..

damn wish you could have helped me withhthe cherryt1.. just tell me thiscan 9 without major work sine i have the enginr trany and rear axle it be retrofited in say a Gran pris gtp or mabe even better a 87-88 MonteCqrlo ss

yoo hould appologize
since tehy were the bet parameters..i ee yu not workin todyno am i.. wanna meat up at moroso




today? and yes i have an assided SS intercptor

and our standard issue is a a 92f and a MP5
later Walker
Al