How about a Honda S2300?

[Racer 20]

What do you think guys? Since the S2000 has a problem with low end torque why not increase it's displacment? what do you think of this idea? I would prefer an S2500 but I doubt Honda will increase it half a liter. lol But .3 liters sounds kinds sweet to me. And they can still increase the power.

[F20C]

S2000 is going to get a bigger displacement no doubt. Rumors are the 2.2L Mugen developed engine or a 2.5L bored out from F20C. Chances are they will come with i-VTEC. Have you seen the dyno plot on RSX-S? The torque line is flat like a pancake past 3000rpm right up to redline.

[Racer 20]

Ya Honda makes great engines. I think the idea of the NSX came up by Honda wanting to do a bigger displacment S-XXXX car. Maybe an "S3000" when they started it. Who knows. BTW, do you think the newer S car will still be front-mid-engined? I'm sure they can still push it back a little even if it's 2.2-2.5 liters...atleast I hope so.

[F20C]

By your proposal S3000 would have to be inline 6. 3.0L is too big to be placed under inline 4. That would screw up the 50/50 weight balanced. Unless they counterbalanced that by making the car much longer in wheelbase.





As you can see from my car's engine bay. The engine is already placed to the very end. Unless S2000 get's longer wheelbase. There is no room left for the engine to be placed any further towards the middle.

[Jay!]

Nice silver S2000! Welcome to AF, by the way.

Can they do 2.5L out of the same size block?

[F20C]

Thanks you have a silverstone metallic as well I assume?

Anyways Honda could bore it out and there is reports of them doing so as well.

[Jay!]

Originally posted by F20C
Thanks you have a silverstone metallic as well I assume?

Not yet.
(see link in sig)

[F20C]

I see well if you are planning to buy one. Now is not the best of time.

[Jay!]

The wait-and-see-what-comes-out-next-year game the manufacturers play now is a joke. Are you alluding to anything in particular?

I'm inclined to buy a used car because I'll already know what comes out next. :hehe:

[F20C]

I wasn't talking about the markup and the false statement from Dealers claiming that MY2001 was the last model year. MY2002 have some decent features but not nothing compare to what you can get later.

[F20C]

The next engine in S2000 will be i-VTEC. There is no doubt about that. You probaly seen RSX-S dyno chart. The torque figure are flat like a pancake past 3000RPM.

[Jay!]

No, I meant the "You can buy it now and get it first, or you can wait until we offer more features."

Primarily, I was thinking of the new CL & TL and Lexus IS not being offered with a manual when introduced. The S2000 was already so bare-bones that everything would have been an added feature. I do like the hardtop, though, but that's easy to add.

[F20C]

That's all part of the smart business marketing. If you put out the best product in the first year of production. The car will outsell the supply for sure. In luxury car terms, a model life usually last 7 years. So what can you bring out that will keep up interest in the 4th year plus? BMW makes some of the best decision. This is what they did for 3 series.

1st year sedan
2nd year coupe
3rd year convertible
4th year displacement bump and awd
5th year m3
6th year minor face-lift
7th year no major change
8th year new model comes out

[Jay!]

Exactly. Excellent example.

[djmotiv8]

Mugen already made an s2200, they took the current 2.0 i-Vtec from the S2000 & bored/stroke it to 2.2 giving it more low end torque and roughly 280 hp. They also did crazy things like take out the whole wind-sheld, the passenger side, it look like that one concept miata... i wish i have the picture. Anyone seen it before? its call the Mugen SS2200...