Battle of the beasts

[ZZII]

What would win?

An '02 Skyline R34 GT-R or a '99 3000GT VR-4. (Both Stock)

They both are heavier than most cars. They both have twin turbo. The R34 has AWD and the 3000GT has 4WD.

I personally think the R34 would win.

[YogsVR4]

The Skyline would be the winner in the race but the loser in a style comparision. The VR4 is also AWD not 4WD.


I wouldn't call them beasts, but they are a fair comparison I suppose.













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[BP2K2Max]

yeah the vr-4 has a huge weight disadvantage with mild power advantage. i'd say skyline would come out on top.
and yogs i've read a bunch of your posts, you really hate the skyline's styling don't you? i think they have a nice, aggressive look to them, but looks are subjective.

[NISSANSPDR]

Skyline would pull away and away...

[YogsVR4]

Yeah - I think the Skyline has a very poor look to it. I'd rather have a stylish car that can compete with most anything then something a bit faster that looks like a shoe box on steriods.













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[longlivetheZ]

Yea. Skyline's nothing phenomenal to look at. The VR-4 would get a real nice view of the back of the Skyline. Skyline has about 280ish hp at the crank, but I read an artical in Turbo Magazine (7 or 8 of '03, I think) where they dynoed a stock R34. It actually had much more hp at the WHEELS then is factory quoted at the CRANK. Don't remember specific numbers off hand, but it was something like 310whp.

[NISSANSPDR]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

I'd rather have a stylish car

Well that's what you are gonna get...b/c I havent seen the VR4's do amazing in actual races...ie Australian Touring car series or JGTC...





The VR4 is not a ugly car...it's very nice looking...but the weight just sucks man...admit that much...if it weighed 3200 lbs it would be a beast of a car...and probably would have gotten a better name against it's competition of the Supra, 300ZX TT, RX7

[longlivetheZ]

The VR4 is a brick.

VR4: 3800lbs
(http://allacher.net/3000gt/index.html)

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Mk IV Supra Turbo: 3620 (www.i-supra.com)

1992 300ZX TT: 3474 (www.z32.org)

RX7TT: 2888 (http://www.rx7uknet.dircon.co.uk/rx7_fd3s_6.html)

GTR-R34 Skyline: 3388 for the R34, 3432 for the R34 V-Spec. (www.motorex.net)

The Supra was a lot heavier then I thought it was prior to doing this little info scavenger hunt.

[hockeygod2787]

THE SKYLINE WOULD FUCKING RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!
well i personally like them---->LOL


.:C.H.R.I.S:.

[youngvr4]

yeah skyline would win that race, depending on the year,
the 99vr4 vs the skyline would actually be a good race, i've seen both cars 1/4mile times and they are pretty much exact, all around 13.5 area

[NarutoRamen]

Well the Skyline would win hands down...but I want to know what would win...i'm too lazy to go and look for the specs so you guys help me out.

3000GT---stock--not VR4
Skyline----Stock--not GTR

????????

[youngvr4]

Specifications
Year 1999 Origin Not Available
Make Nissan Base Price $89 500 USD
Model Skyline R34 GT-R Production Not Available
Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis
Position Front Longitudinal Drive Wheels Full Time 4WD
Configuration Water Cooled RB26DETT Inline 6 Curb Weight 1666 kg / 3673 lbs
Valvetrain Belt Driven DOHC 4 valves / cyl Length 4600 mm / 181.1 in
Displacement 2568 cc / 156.7 cu in Width 1785 mm / 70.3 in
Power 205.8 kw / 276.0 bhp @ 6800 rpm Height 1360 mm / 53.5 in
Torque 293.0 nm / 216.1 ft lbs @ 4400 rpm Wheelbase 2665 mm / 104.9 in
Bore 86.0 mm / 3.39 in Front Track 1480 mm / 58.3 in
Stroke 73.3 mm / 2.89 in Rear Track 1490 mm / 58.7 in
Redline 8000 Steering Rack & Pinion w/Speed Sensitive Power Assist
HP / Liter 107.48 bhp per litre Body / Frame Not Available
HP / Curb Weight Front Brakes Brembro Vented Discs w/4-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABS
Gear Type Getrag 6-Speed Manual Front Brake Size 324 mm / 12.8 in
1st Gear Ratio 3.827:1 Rear Brakes Brembro Vented Discs w/2-Pot Calipers, Vacuum Assist & ABS
2nd Gear Ratio 2.360:1 Rear Brake Size 300 mm / 11.8 in
3rd Gear Ratio 1.685:1 Front Wheels F 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 in
4th Gear Ratio 1.312:1 Rear Wheels R 45.7 x 22.9 cm / 18.0 x 9.0 in
5th Gear Ratio 1.000:1 Front Tires 245/40W18
6th Gear Ratio 0.793:1 Rear Tires 245/40W18
7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension MacPherson Struts w/Addional Link, Lower A-Arms, Coil Springs,
Final Drive Ratio 3.545:1 Rear Suspension Mulitlink Setup w/Coil Springs, Tube Shocks, Anti-Roll Bar
Performance
Top Speed 249.4 kph / 155.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 5.2 seconds
0 - ¼ mile 13.7 seconds 0 - 100 mph 13.0 seconds
Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Combined 22.8 mpg
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1994-1999 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
This Mitsubishi has only undergone minor changes for a decade since its 1990 release. The Spyder came in 1995. Numerous facelifts have kept the styling fresh. It was sold in USA till 1999. Sold as GTO in Japan till 2001.

Base price : $30,000 (used '99) Get a free price quote

Engine : V6, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 18 mpg
highway - 24 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent upper and lower A-arms
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 320 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 315 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.0 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 105.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.90 g

[YogsVR4]

I didn’t realize that the ‘magazine’ times were that close. I thought the Skyline would be faster in the quarter mile then that. I am going to have to revise my appraisal of the Skyline downward. I’m sure it’ll beat the VR4 from a roll, but it looks like off the line, its going to take at least the quarter mile and then some to catch up. All the while still looking like crap.

I know the weight of the VR4 is high. I never claimed it to be light. I’ve also never claimed it to be the fastest out there. I do claim that it is the best looking. That’s why I own a couple of them (if you think the VR4 is heavy – you should see the VR4 Spyder).

As for the VR4 getting raped. Please. Given that their times are so close – it’s a drivers race through the quarter and then some. At high speeds the Skyline will be king, but the VR4 is hardly standing still.

I don’t like mod comparisons because there is always another mod that can be done.













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[ZZII]

okay, as everyone knows, the 3000GT is a big boy, so that means on the track, turns are gonna be a bitch. yes, it has AWD, but that sucker weighs 1.5tons! the R34 is a lightweight compared to that!

What's the engine name for the 3000GT? If you just mention RB26 to any real car man they know what your talking about.(skyline's full name is RB26DETT)

[longlivetheZ]

Those specs are incorrect, youngvr4. I don't know where you got them, but the weight I found is different (and not just by a little, either) and the 0-60 time is different. Go to Motorex.net. All these people deal with are Skylines. They know their stuff. It is much faster then your stats let on. The real 0-60 time is 4.7 seconds. That's almost painfully fast. The VR4 would be seeing little more than the Skyline's tailights.