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Old 10-23-2003, 07:26 PM
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Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

Just got my car back with the Y8 swap and it was running great for a couple weeks!

Then I took it to Best Buy to get an alarm and radio put in since they were running free instalation.

It still worked fine but I had left the car in valet mode. I only armed it a few times over the last couple weeks. After I changed the car from valet to armed the 1st time...I come out of the store and boom..batty's dead... I was able to jumpstart it and get home but I had to keep the motor revving or it would die out + gauges were jumping all over.

Put in a new battery and it was fine. Until the other day, I armed the car, came back 3 hours later and disarmed....it barely started... On the way home it started to die out on me at the stoplights so I had to keep it revving to get home...even on the highway, the lights would go dim and the gauges would jump like crazy...it still ran but if I took my foot off the gas it died...

I can jump the car and it will get up and run fine but my battery will not hold a charge..???? Could it be possible that the alarm or radio install could have messed something up here?

Maybe an alternator? I don't know what else could be suspect?
I need to get this fixed quick so any feedback would be appreciated! Thanks!
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uhhh, sounds like your alternator can not handel the strain of the alternator, or they zapped your battery at best buy and now it won't hold a charge very well.
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Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

[quote=fredthedragon]uhhh, sounds like your alternator can not handel the strain of the alternator,QUOTE]

ok i'm gonna take a nap i'm sounding like a retard,
what i meant was your alternator may not be able to handle the strain of the new alarm system.
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Re: Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

I don't think it would kill a new battery that fast though...?

And I got the new battery after I went to best buy.
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Sounds like something (probably the stereo or more likely, the alarm) is drawing a lot of power when the ar is turned off. I forget how to check this and pinpoint what its coming from, but if you want me to find out, i can look into it and get back to you asap.
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Yeah, I am thinking the alarm but it is weird that it was fine until I took it out of valt and armed it, then when I put it back in valet... it loses charge.

I think I know what you are talking about...to hook up a voltimeter and start pulling fuses to see where the draw is coming from...I think anyway... I may just yank the alarm and see what happens...the radio always shuts down when I turn off the car, and I always take out the faceplate too.

?? This sux!!
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Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

take it back to best buy and see if they can do anything about it, since it didnt start happening until the installed the alarm, maybe they hooked something up wrong.
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Yeah, i'm trickling the battery right now and I am going to call them 1st thing tomorrow. I hope it is just something dumb...
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Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

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Yeah, I am thinking the alarm but it is weird that it was fine until I took it out of valt and armed it, then when I put it back in valet... it loses charge.

I think I know what you are talking about...to hook up a voltimeter and start pulling fuses to see where the draw is coming from...I think anyway... I may just yank the alarm and see what happens...the radio always shuts down when I turn off the car, and I always take out the faceplate too.

?? This sux!!
Yea, Im pretty sure thats how you do it. But, its fine when you dont have the alarm armed? Or does it still give you trouble? Definitly seems like your alaem though. If you cant figure it out, go back to best buy and ask them what they think it could be. Anyways, hope you figure it out.
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Thanks! Yeah it seems to only happen after I arm the alarm. It was fine for over a week while the alarm was on valet both times..?? I hope it is just the alarm... rather it be that than an alternator...

However, the last time it happenned, I was in night school, it was fine... I armed it on the way in.. a few hours later, I came out and disarmed. It did start...but barely... and on the way home it seemed like the car wanted to die like the 1st time...

I got it home, put it back on valet and a the next day....dead....

It will crank a little but not enough to get it to turn over.
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Re: Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

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Yea, Im pretty sure thats how you do it. But, its fine when you dont have the alarm armed? Or does it still give you trouble? Definitly seems like your alaem though. If you cant figure it out, go back to best buy and ask them what they think it could be. Anyways, hope you figure it out.
It can be alot of things. Sometimes, if they let the battery go way down during the install then either jump it or use one of those comerical sized chargers, it can burn out the altinator.

Of course, I have seen some very scary fire hazards come fromt those big chain guys
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It can be alot of things. Sometimes, if they let the battery go way down during the install then either jump it or use one of those comerical sized chargers, it can burn out the altinator.

Of course, I have seen some very scary fire hazards come fromt those big chain guys

Just spoke to Best Buy and the 1st thing he tells me is "oh yeah, it is proabably your alternator..." He sais that when you put any new electronic equip in your car it has a profound effect on the alt. Yeah maybe if I put a $3000 system with 15 amps yes... I puy in a cheap JVC that was almost the same as the one I replaced...try again...

and I said that's funny my car ran all these years with the same alt but then you put in an alarm and every time I arm it...the batt dies... yeah...must be the alternator...

I know it still could have something to do with the alt. but I have a hunch it has something to do with the miswiring of the alarm...

I am dropping it off today...provided I can get the damn car down there with the ever-deady battery and all...
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Well before I went to best buy, I had the batt and alt tested.. batt came out good alt was bad

The car was reading 12v when it was running (should be 14) so it looks like it was strictly running on the batt not the alt. However, I did not put my lights on (which I probably should have done so it would have put a little load on the batt to see if the alt would kick in..forgot.) ...but we let it run for a while and I never got a reading higher than 12.

So I guess I need to get myself a new alternator...!!

I still think something happened to it when I brought it in to have the radio and alarm installed...

Oh well... Now I am just trying to think if there is anything else that can possibly go wrong with my car...
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Re: Battery Dying, please help... alarm causing it??

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Well before I went to best buy, I had the batt and alt tested.. batt came out good alt was bad

The car was reading 12v when it was running (should be 14) so it looks like it was strictly running on the batt not the alt. However, I did not put my lights on (which I probably should have done so it would have put a little load on the batt to see if the alt would kick in..forgot.) ...but we let it run for a while and I never got a reading higher than 12.

So I guess I need to get myself a new alternator...!!

I still think something happened to it when I brought it in to have the radio and alarm installed...

Oh well... Now I am just trying to think if there is anything else that can possibly go wrong with my car...
Well, you can find out if it is the alarm but I highly doubt it. Find a place that can do a load test on your car. What you'll want to do is have the meter hooked up then arm/disarm the car and anything else you want to test. Then, what ever you test, unplug it. If you see that meter move more than a few amps, then it could be that. Again, even the cheapest alarm actually works off of grounds not 12v. Most alarms only pull about 1/2 the amperage of a factory clock when not being used. Now, when they are activating doorlocks, lights, and such, that is a different thing.

It doesn't suprise me that they automatically said it was the altinator. Like they even had a clue. The only reason I said it was that they usually take for ever for an install. Usually keep your doors and hood open the whole time without disconnecting the battery or sticking a trickle charger on the battery. Well, sometimes what happens is that you have a weak battery and what they did finally did it in. Then they stick a HUGE battery that can really crank out the juice. They put that sucker on high and get the car to start. The problem is that it's really hard on the car's electrical system and usually the regulator is the first thing to go. That's because it's already been over used from having a weak battery that luckily you haven't noticed in the wrong way.
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dude i work for best buy so i can ask them what our policy is if we accidentally fry your alt durring an install. that may have happened if they accidentally crossed something. i'll check and get back to you tomorrow.
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