Questions for the knowledgable: Type R Integra

[HyperS]

OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.

I'm looking at getting an integra in a few months but there are some things I want to clear up before I actually make the decision. Also bare in mind I live in new zealand (really).

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

Thanks, I think that's it. Any and all answers will let me sleep that little bit better at night.

[Jeff C]

I am not expert nor do I own a Type R so take this how you want. Now, we are obviously from different country's so our terminology might be different.

1) I have never heard of a transmissin damper. Also, these cars do not have driveshafts.

2) Here in the States, the last year for the 5sp tranny was '01 I believe. In 02-03(?), Honda/Acura went to the RSX Type S which is the 6sp. I cant really give you any comparisons between the two.

3) I am not sure on prices either.

4) Regarding forced induction, if its going to be a daily driver, I would not mess with it. Maybe just bolt ons, i.e. intake, header, and exhaust. When you start adding the forced induction stuff it just gets to be a hassle. My

5) Type R's are great from the factory so I would not worry about any type of controllers unless you decided to go forced induction.

6) I would just turn the radio up. This is another thing I cant give you much advice on either.

Btw, check you private message box.

[B16EJ1]

1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.

2) The only Teg w/ a 6-speed is the new DC5 chassis and since you are looking for a used one, you can throw the 6th gear thing out the window. Oh and by the way, the reason you are at 5k at 90kph in 5th is because your current motor and tranny suck so before you complain about something you know nothing about, I'd do some reading. The 98+DC2 chassis had the highest frinal drive in any honda and no you can't install a DC5 tranny on a DC2 motor.

3) www.kbb.com ( not sure if it applies to you )

4) Seeing as you don't know much I highly suggest you forget about changing VTEC cross-overs, rev limiters or fuel maps. These things are modified w/ other mods such as aftermarket cams, reprogrammed ECU's, etc.

5) Blah, blah, blah.

[Jeff C]

Hey man, if you are just going to get on here and flame right off the bat, just dont post. He is just trying to aquire some info on a potential new toy. Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere.

[elitefreke]

Originally Posted by Jeff C

4) Regarding forced induction, if its going to be a daily driver, I would not mess with it. Maybe just bolt ons, i.e. intake, header, and exhaust. When you start adding the forced induction stuff it just gets to be a hassle. My

I agree... see what you can get all-motor... then, if need-be, add some boost!

[ChicagoK20]

Originally Posted by HyperS

OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.

I'm looking at getting an integra in a few months but there are some things I want to clear up before I actually make the decision. Also bare in mind I live in new zealand (really).

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these. Either because I currently own a 5000 RPM at 90kmh 1.5L civic right now, which makes be fixated with being able to gain high speed with low revs, or I like the idea that I can travel at around 250kmh while running away from the police. Either way, I REALLY WANT ONE. I've also heard that 5th gear is kind of short on the type R and semi-long highway journeys can be a nightmare. Does anyone know which model the switch was made from 5 speed to 6? 99, 00, 01. There's a big difference in price and if it's too much, how much would I reasonable be looking to pay to get one installed on a 5 speeder?

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs. Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

Thanks, I think that's it. Any and all answers will let me sleep that little bit better at night.

If a stiff ride and noise is not your thing, neither is the type r

i think you would be much better off with a family sedan

if you have some money, buy an audi or a bmw

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.

2) The only Teg w/ a 6-speed is the new DC5 chassis and since you are looking for a used one, you can throw the 6th gear thing out the window. Oh and by the way, the reason you are at 5k at 90kph in 5th is because your current motor and tranny suck so before you complain about something you know nothing about, I'd do some reading. The 98+DC2 chassis had the highest frinal drive in any honda and no you can't install a DC5 tranny on a DC2 motor.

3) www.kbb.com ( not sure if it applies to you )

4) Seeing as you don't know much I highly suggest you forget about changing VTEC cross-overs, rev limiters or fuel maps. These things are modified w/ other mods such as aftermarket cams, reprogrammed ECU's, etc.

5) Blah, blah, blah.

Isnt the RSX called integra everywhere except here? I know in Japan ofcourse it is still called the intgera so i would guess that where he lives it is called integra also. And yes you are right changing fuel maps and such has to be done by someone who knows exactly what they are doin otherwise you end up with a car that runs like crap.

[Ricochet]

In Japan it's called a Honda Integra. The used 98-01 Type R's can be bought for like $15,000-$20,000 U.S.

You can't expect a sports car to be nice and quiet with a smooth ride. The entire chassis is built up differently on the Type R than the other tegs, providing a stiffer ride. The all-motor powerhouse is going to make some noise, live with it.

Forced induction is a rediculous idea on a Type R because if it's already-high compression. In other words, it's already cramming a lot of air in there and squeezing it down really tight for the boom. Forcing more air into the engine would make the boom blow out the side of your block if not built correctly. You'd have to lower the compression and strengthen the internals. With that, you could have bought a GS-R and saved your money.

Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

If you put nitrous on a beautiful Integra Type R, I'll find out where you live and kill you. You don't know enough about cars to be spraying redneck boomjuice into a rare, ingeniously engineered car like this.

6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these.

You sure are fixated with a lot of things... Try fixating on buying a V6 4-door sedan rather than ruining some poor Integra.

[Jeff C]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

redneck boomjuice

[Jack Nicholson voice]YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE JUICE!![/Jack Nicholson voice]

[B16EJ1]

Originally Posted by Jeff C

Hey man, if you are just going to get on here and flame right off the bat, just dont post. He is just trying to aquire some info on a potential new toy. Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere.

Flame??? Someone comes here practically bashing a fine automobile w/ absolutely no clue as to what he is speaking on and it's okay?

1)Everything on the Type R was planned to be so. If you have a gripe w/ any aspect of the R then it's not for you. You want a quiet car? Get a Kia Sephia.

2)Bashing on the gear ratio on a Type R is downright rediculous. It has the highest final drive of all B series.

3)Boosting a Type R is "blasphemy" for lack of a better word.

4)If you have no clue as to why people use aftermarket engine and fuel management systems then just forget about it before you break something.

I may sound harsh or as is I'm flaming but I'm not. Flaming is simply bashing a person w/ no intentions of help at all. You can still take from what I've posted and learn from it. So just shut the hell up , Mr. Post police.

[Jeff C]

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

1) WTMF are you talking about? That's the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard.

I was refering to this statement. So he did not now so what. Just simply say, "They dont exist." He is new to the ITR world and should have researched more before he posted.

They Hype ARrRr is just another car. It aint Gods chariot.

[HyperS]

Listen patriotic 'fuckers' (and I use the term patriotic out of context but it still works!). I'll add nos if I want to. Maybe not the boost (ALTHOUGH I'VE HEARD OF QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ADDING A TURBO AND/OR SUPERCHARGER WITH GREAT RESULTS, which was the initial reason for my QUESTION (please understand the use and nature of this word)).

As for a 'rough ride' and 'more noisy', you're all little girls. My 88 civic has tougher suspension and runs twice as loudly as this car. I'm glad I took it for a test drive before you bunch of sissies scared me off. The rev's are are actually more comforting. They're 'slightly' louder than my CIVIC but with much less 'road noise'. This car is comfortable compared to what I'm driving. This begs the real question: is my civic really that bad or do you all cry when big scary car go vroom vroom at traffic lights?

Thankyou to everyone that was actually helpful.

[B16EJ1]

Do what you want. You have absolutely no idea what the hell you plan to do. I say go right ahead with your so called plans. You have obviously displayed that you lack many skills and knowledge to even accomplish your dreams and yes I mean dreams cause that's the closest you'll ever get to it. Even if you do get there I guarantee that it won't last long enough for you to even post about it. I never said it was Gods chariot either. How does " a fine automobile " translate to "God's chariot" ? Who's flaiming now n00b? I'm done with you two. Try to teach some young amateur's something new and they walk all over you.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by HyperS

OK, I've got some question that've been eating me up and I need them answered.

If these are the kind of questions that eat you up, you have issues

1) First and foremost, how important is the transmission and drive shaft (dynamic?) damper and why does the type R not have any? I've heard the car itself is a rough ride but maybe partially due to this reason. If so, how easy/expensive would it be to have some dampers installed?

Huh?, if you mean the rubber dampner that goes on the axles (also called driveshafts, (for whoever said ITRs don't have them, like trannys are also called gearboxes)) I was not aware that they don't, but that just helps keep vibration down.

2) 6 speed gearbox. I'm fixated with these.

Why, they're pretty much useless. For freeway cruising at 150 plus they're good, but I don't see much of that, and I live in Germany, and use the autobahn, and have no need for a 6th gear. I drove a Mercedes with one, and only used it very rarely.

3) Price. What price ranges (second hand of course), and I looking at? I can get a shady sort of view out of the auto trader but it's nothing definitive.

have no clue what cars cost in New Zealand

4) Forced induction. Yay/nay? superchargers are great for these cars because it doesn't screw around with the precision-tuned intake manifold and exhaust system, plus it adds to the torq at lower revs which is exaclt what the car needs.

ITR's are more built towards N/A applications, I have seen a few boost ones, but it is a lot of work, and TUNING

Also give me an idea about NOS. I'm fixated with the stuff but is it really worth it?

Best avoided as a sole power adder, as people tend to get irresponsible with it and blow their motors trying to squeeze more than it can handle, but if you want a small shot run between a 35-55 Hp and you should be fine. On a side note,

Its not like he mentioned F&F. We all started somewhere.

most people who don't have prior experiance call it NOS because that is what they saw in the movie. It is called nitrous oxide, NOS is Nitrous Oxide System, which is a product brand name produced by Holley.

5) Controllers. I've heard about a Hondata controller that can let me modify vtec engage and rev limiter. Price? Worth it?

DO NOT fuck with vtec engagment points, or fuel maps. Hondata is great, BUT you HAVE to have someone who KNOWS what they are doing tune them. And Honda engineers are pretty damn smart, so without significantly modding you motor, you really don't have a whole lot of need for a adjustable system.

6) Lastly the sound insulation. These cars come with none. How easy would it be to have some fitted with relatively low added weight? A lot of people have commented it can be a noisy ride and this isn't just gonna be a weekend car, it'll be my daily plod-mobile too so a little noise insulation could go a long way. Easy to do?

I'm sorry, but if this is a true concern, maybe a sports car isn't for you, as most are noisy, whether it is from lack of sounddeadening material, or loud motors.

[Jeff C]

Yep, you got it buddy. Because I have less than 1500 posts on AF, I am a young amateur n00b. You are a typical e-thug.

When you say stuff like this...

Originally Posted by B16EJ1

3)Boosting a Type R is "blasphemy" for lack of a better word.

...it makes me think that you believe the the ITR is Gods Chariot. Thats all.

I am glad you are done cause I am tired of hearing from you.