thinking single cam

[liquid8]

ok i'm looking to get a motor but i wanted to know what you guys think would be a good idea. i know everyone says that the single cam vtec motor is nothing compared to the b16 but i don't have a lot of money and i want to get other things besides the motor. is the single cam THAT bad. some guy in another forum said that he ran 13.7 with a single cam boosted on 7psi. that's pretty fast in my eyes. and i would go forced induction and i'm not all about "all motor" and considering the price difference in these motors y is the single cam that crappy. and i understand the fact that in a 2700 lb car it's really slow but i have a 2200lb car which is substantially lighter. is the only reason so many people are pushing the dohc vtecs because they make gobs of power naturally aspirated???

[civickiller]

nothing wrong with a sohc vtec motor. i think most people just go dohc because overall, u get more hp. i mean like a dohc boosted at 7psi vs a sohc boosted at 7psi, i mean u cant compare the dohc will always win when modded the same as a sohc. plus the top power of a dohc is higher than a sohc, so say like if u only wanted 300hp, well it would be alot easier to get it from a dohc then a sohc. u know waht i mean. shit if i only wanted to run like 13s, then i would go sohc. but im one of those guys who dreams about one day owning a 10 sec car. so yeah i choose dohc.

[civicHBsi91]

d16z6, i/h/e, upgraded fuel pump/injectors,zex 75 shot, slicks, hello 13's maybe even 12's with good driving

[liquid8]

how bad will it be if i keep my dx tranny??? will my tranny be ok and will i be slower and if so how much slower than with a ex or si tranny. and do i NEED a stage 1 clutch?? or is it recommended. i mean is my clutch gonna give out like in a month?

[civickiller]

its not bad at all. yeah yoru tranny will be ok. but u will be alitt slower than a ex or si tranny cause of the dx longer gears. u dont need a clutch unless your clutch is gone. but i mean if u got the money and your clutch is old, then put one on cause u have the engine out so its easy. your clutch wont go out because of the extra power

civichbsi91, more like 14s, not 13s or 12s

[t0p_sh0tta]

Originally posted by liquid8
i know everyone says that the single cam vtec motor is nothing compared to the b16 but i don't have a lot of money and i want to get other things besides the motor.

IMO, a upgrading from a D16 to a B16 is a waste. If you don't plan on doing some major mods the the B16, then you wasted over $2k. There is not a night and day difference between the two. There have been many times that I have seen SOHC's put down better TQ numbers with just boltons. Put 2k into a turbo setup and you'll be very happy.

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by t0p_sh0tta


IMO, a upgrading from a D16 to a B16 is a waste. If you don't plan on doing some major mods the the B16, then you wasted over $2k. There is not a night and day difference between the two. There have been many times that I have seen SOHC's put down better TQ numbers with just boltons. Put 2k into a turbo setup and you'll be very happy.

How do you figure? Either way you look at it, mod each engine the same and there is definitely a " night and day difference". I admit I've seen some single cams lay some bad ass time's but like I said mod them the same, hit the dyno and then show me that there's no difference.

[civickiller]

like on sat night i seen a 5th gen couple turbo @ 8psi, race a 4th gen b16a. and the 5th gen lost.

then i seen a 4th gen with a y8 jrsc, nos. race that same 4th gen b16a and it was pretty up and up but the 4th gne b16 was faster. and the 4th gen b16 only had an intake with open exhaust and thats it. and i know thats all he has cause i seen when it got it and i helped put the b16 in

[civicHBsi91]

he must have not sprayed......or he has like a 25 shot....

[liquid8]

what kind of stock times could i expect in the 1/4?

[wheel1856]

frankly, the way I see it (budgeting myself) if you're gonna spend the money for a swap and a turbo, what's the trouble in saving some coin for a lil while longer, getting the proven better and faster engine, and then moding that with your induction of choice?

put it this way, get something that is ok right now, or just be patient, wait a lil longer, and get something that is out and out bad ass. I've been jonesin for a swap for months now, I have the money for a SOHC V-tec, (D16z6), but I can champ at the bit for another month er so to save some more for the b16a2. Plus, that gives you more time to squirrel away some cash for modifications to compliment the new engine.

patience is a virtue my friend, let the yahoos beat you at the stop lights and race tracks for a lil while longer, and then by the end of summer, you'll have an engine and car that can anihilate anything they bring to the line. Hell, if you're patient enough, you might even consider saving for a b18c1, H22a1, or get crazy with a CRV-tec. trust me, great things are worth waiting for.

[civickiller]

i know what your saying wheel, i mean im a racer and if this were me, id go with a b series swap. but this guy said he dont have much money and he doesnt really seem like a racer so thats why id say sohc vtec for him

[97civiclx]

i am going to stay with sohc and just do the minnie me swap, i know i will not get the same power numbers as a dohc but it will be a lot easier to install, then a full engine swap plus the dohc is two to three times as expensive as just the minnie-me swap. so i figure 3 to 4 hundred for the minnie me swap and a lil over a thousand for a custom turbo and i will still be under what it will cost for the b16 swap plus i will probaly be pulling a higher hp than with a b16 swap for the same price.

[tenzoracerevovii]

well that's all fine and dandy, seriously, but the thing is you won't get much faster than that w/o major mods. it just seems like dohc respond a lot better to modifications than single cams do. i know sohc are capable of 10 sec 1/4 mile, but they spent a more money to attain such numbers. so if you look at it, a sohc would be ok to run pretty fast, but if you want to think ahead and eventually wanna run some pretty low times, the dohc is a better investment. so i guess i sound redundant cuz i repeated what people already said, but it would have to depends on what you're gonna do w/ the motor.......

[sageuvagony]

DOHC all the way:licker: