Spe-V vs WRX

i was reading a forum at nissanforums.com and this person said that his Spec-V beat a WRX on a highway??? I dunno bout this, but wouldnt the WRX win bcuz of their engine power??? well i dunno, one of my ideas were that, that Spec-V was probably modified, u ppl at nissanforums.com should check it out??
:rolleyes:

I am a spec v fan but i have to be honest i would have to give wrx a little credit they are quick cars and awd so i think that spec v would need a lot of work done to it or guy driving wrx is horrible.

I think it is pretty believable if the spec was slightly modded. The only real reason the wrx gets such low times is because of the awd, from a roll they really aren't that quick. I actually kept up with one pretty well from a roll when I only had an intake, granted it was a 2 lane road, and he was in front of me and pulled the whole time, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. I think if the wrx still had the same power at the wheels (still had the drivetrain loss of awd) but was fwd it would pull very high 14's, just like a slightly modded spec.

My uncle has a spec v and raced a WRX at the 1/4 track, he has headers, cai, the 2.5 liter motor forgot the exact class, i believe 5zigen exaust not sure, and i think thats all for mods. he won by like a half a second for the best time, but the WRX was stock none the less a good win

oh yea carbon fiber too

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k



Here's my final verdict:

It would take quite a few mods for a Spec V to keep up with a WRX. If you were both already driving, you'd be able to keep up with it until the max speed is exceeded. From a start, though, you'd be blown out of the water. If the WRX driver is experienced, he'd get his car up to 3500 RPM (point at which the turbo kicks in) immediately and let you eat his dust. There are only two statistics in which the Spec V beats the WRX: price and curb weight. With curb weight, there is only a 400 lbs difference (give or take), and the extra 52hp and 27lbs of torque more than make up for that. Now that leaves us with the price. Yes, you save about $7k by purchasing a Spec V, but you put in a turbo kit, and that'll run you about $3000 (depends what stage you want to go) for the kit and another $1000 for labor (unless you can get a discount off that). The issue with aftermarket mods is that you must get them tweaked quite often. You're just plain better off getting the WRX. If you planned on upgrading the WRX's turbo, you just need to buy the turbo itself, rather than a whole kit, which makes installation a lot easier too.

heres what i think. stock wrx's run 14.3 and wrx wagons run 14.5-14.8.. i'm running 14.5 with just an intake,header and balanceshaft kit. thats a max cost of 700 bucks with tax and shipping. so it won't take many mods or a lot of cash to get there. the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat. last time i went to the track there was new forester with the wrx engine in it running 14.7, which could be comparable to a wrx wagon.

really depends on the driver
(oh yeah and mods)
all 4wd cars tend to lose some top end because of the extra drivetrain losses but really it isnt that much

but my friend's 1992 h23 prelude (155hp 140ftlb stock) with just intake and exhaust could keep up with wrxs or gs-xs, especially on the twisty parts (he is a hell of a driver though).

highway racing is fun but is really not an accurate guage of how fast a car is(traffic, inaccurate starts, driving style and skill, ect. so many variables)

yea thats true there are a lot of variables.. my buddy thinks his gsr is faster than me. from a roll, before i installed my cams and pulley, we were pretty even on the high way. which makes sence cause his car has mostly top end power. i keep telling him that in the 1/4 i will be faster. we raced from a stop one time on the express way and i just murdered him.. he gave the typical oh i had real bad wheel hopp shpeel, but it's clear as day. i have 180ftlbs of torque stock. him almost fully bolted and tuned maybe has 125 on 195 series tires. just isn't gonna get you out of the whole fast.

oh yeah and keep in mind that my friend's wrx with CAI and cat back has beaten rx7s evoVIIIs and s2000s by the boatloads
supras and stis wont race him because they saw him before

wrxs are probably the most tunable car that is currently sold on the us market right now. (besides possibly the evo, but the evo is twice as expensive)

i think a spec v modded will beat a sti , i run a sti from a red light ,1st and 2nd dead even then in 3rd he pull 2cars and at 135mph he got me by 2 cars 1/2 ,i have a 04 spec v with intake

i think a spec v modded will beat a sti , i run a sti from a red light ,1st and 2nd dead even then in 3rd he pull 2cars and at 135mph he got me by 2 cars 1/2 ,i have a 04 spec v with intake


I see... :wink:

I believe the story I have talked to a few people on those forums and those are pretty die hard guys. He probably had alotta work done. But yeah sentra's have alot of mid range torque which makes them perfect for racing. The WRX isn't the most modified car though I'd say the SRT4 is now

OK, first, he's talking about an Sti. I don't know if you're aware of this, but Sti's have THREE-HUNDRED horses. A Spec with an intake cannot match that kind of acceleration at any point in a race.

Second, although it's known that the AWD platform reduces high-speed acceleration somewhat due to extra rotational mass, the story would've been more believable if the Spec took the Sti from a roll or caught up to it later. An Sti will always have the launch on a Spec and would pull away easily having nearly double the power and only a 15-20% increase in weight.

i know the STI is 300hp , but not to the weels , same history with the 01 or 02 spider gts , 210hp and 215 torq . never puts thoses # to the road because at the weels is not even 140. I goin to post a true story wish included my best friend with his 01 spider gts, he has i/h/e , msd,cables,and everytime we race i have him until 4th , then he end up with 2 cars on me, then hi get the racing computer and when we when racing , he toll me (diego lets racing , i want a see something and i say w,t,f he already knows that i got him until 3rd so i say ok (i knew he got some new) so we start racing and he was even with me until 2nd , 3rd he start to pull and finality got me by 3 cars 1/2 but isn't too much for me been stock. well thats the story of to much hp and been slow

lol the sti will crush any spec from a stop, but the regular wrx will get crushed from a roll, my friend and i rolled on from 45 and i walked him 3 times in a row like nothing, the sti though i dont want any peice of......hehehehe

it all depends on the driver I've seen an SRT4 on the track with nitrous run 14's it was pretty ridiculous so I guess anythings possible

haha that guy got owned by his own riceness

srt4 run 14's with nitrous? kinda slow dont you think?

i've seen the srt4 run a 13.2 on the track stock. I almost bought one... I love those cars but they are way to American made for me.

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k

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the WRX....0-60 in 5.1, that's for sti right? thought non sti need longer than that,

and.....the Sentra engine, 2.5L V4??? u mean 2.5L, 16V?

is that possible, to run 14's in a srt-4 with nitrous?????? it might have been a rebadged one or the driver was retarded....

maybe it was a neon......

all you need is a body kit, the rims, and the badge, it turns into a 'srt-4' but no turbo....

Well the fact is you line up a HO/turboed car with AWD ,to a N/A car with alittle more than half the HP. this is not a match or a race.It's a beating. so to compair these cars side by side is spec V wet dreams. not going to happen.

I agree. That's pretty much the bottom line no matter what statistics you bring in. The big difference i see? WRX starts around 30k. Spec V starts in upper teens. When it's a 10k difference the answer is: you pay more you get more. Spec is a great car but no wrx. That's like trying to compare the srt4 to a viper.

the sti has double horsepower, the wrx isnt all that, ive taken them down before, but the sti is a freakin monster, dont even try

Here is a little bit of information about each car:

2002 Subaru WRX ...
Curb Weight: ~3100 lbs
Engine: 2.0L High Output Turbocharged DOHC
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 5.1 sec
Top Speed: ~150mph
Base MSRP: ~$25k

2002 Nissan SE-R Spec V ...
Curb Weight: ~2710 lbs
Engine: 2.5L V4 engine
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM
0-60: 7.4 sec
Top Speed: ~130mph
Base MSRP: ~$18k



Here's my final verdict:

It would take quite a few mods for a Spec V to keep up with a WRX. If you were both already driving, you'd be able to keep up with it until the max speed is exceeded. From a start, though, you'd be blown out of the water. If the WRX driver is experienced, he'd get his car up to 3500 RPM (point at which the turbo kicks in) immediately and let you eat his dust. There are only two statistics in which the Spec V beats the WRX: price and curb weight. With curb weight, there is only a 400 lbs difference (give or take), and the extra 52hp and 27lbs of torque more than make up for that. Now that leaves us with the price. Yes, you save about $7k by purchasing a Spec V, but you put in a turbo kit, and that'll run you about $3000 (depends what stage you want to go) for the kit and another $1000 for labor (unless you can get a discount off that). The issue with aftermarket mods is that you must get them tweaked quite often. You're just plain better off getting the WRX. If you planned on upgrading the WRX's turbo, you just need to buy the turbo itself, rather than a whole kit, which makes installation a lot easier too.

Top speed on a spec v is about 140mph or so stock and it's rev-limited at about 163mph...so even with mods you will never eclipse that without some sort of gearing changes.

The WRX, though I've never actually driven one, maxes out around 140 also.

The spec v's engine is not a V4, but rather an I4. The only V4 engines I know about were made by honda and used on motorcycles.

0-60mph times are a very bad indication of actual acceleration since they have no scope as to why the car is pulling those numbers. A 1/4mile comparison would be much better as a basis for comparison. And although most magazines say that a stock spec v runs a 15.7, I ran a 15.6 on my second attempt at the 1320 in any car...and with info from other b15 owners I'd definitely put the stock performance at about 14.9-15.2@88-90mph. The WRX in stock form pulls mid 14s with a decent driver...although slightly faster than the spec v...you can attribute that mostly to the awd traction in the first 60ft as many have already explained.

Well the fact is you line up a HO/turboed car with AWD ,to a N/A car with alittle more than half the HP. this is not a match or a race.It's a beating. so to compair these cars side by side is spec V wet dreams. not going to happen.

lol...it's not quite that big of a difference when you look at a dyno of each car. Take a minute and consider the differences in the engine alone, one is a 2.0L turbo and the other is n/a that is essentially stroked from the factory. Then consider that the spec v has 6 speeds while the wrx has 5. Also consider that the spec v has less weight AND less driveline loss. In the end you come up with two cars that are very different and have very different strengths.

From a roll, especially at near highway speeds (40-60+) the spec v will kill the wrx. From a stop without a clutch dump the spec v and wrx will be about even most of the way with the wrx winning at the end. With the proper and abusive 5000+rpm clutch dump on the wrx you will kill a spec v and eventually damage your drivetrain.

too bad there isn't a video game that has the spec V in it...otherwise id try it even tho they are mostly not that accurate. id have to say a sti vs. spec v is a beating.

i just want to make everyone aware of the fact that the wrx and the sti are two different cars, and with that statement i back up the statement klohiq made when he said the spec would beat the wrx from a roll at highway speeds, assuming that roll was from about 45, teh spec sucks high end.....lol

and need for speed underground 2 has a spec v in it, they all are the same speed though, a focus can beat a 350z in that game, so i dont know about accurate

a wrx is way faster then a spec v stock for stock. even a moded specv will have a hard time keeping up. thats just the way it is. i owned a 04 spec v with brembo's. i had, intake,cams,pulley,header,balance shaft removal and a couple other things and my best time was a 14.5. thats not even what a stock wrx runs. stock wrx are at least good for 14.2.

i was talkin about like somewhat physics based game. i dont think forza has an update or gt4 would help

were talking from a roll dave.....4wd kinda makes it hard to win in a drag, although it has been done

i think if anything awd would kil a front wheel drive car. they have twice as much traction. i mean even from a roll the wrx is still faster in every way.

how so it makes as much power as an rsx type s but it loses a shitload more of it due to the drivetrain loss, and type s' barely pull us anyways, add a lot more weight and a lot more drivetrain loss and youve got yourself a wrx kill from a roll, it would stand a better chance at a drag where its 4wd would benefit it, not hurt it

the loss is in the DRIVETRAIN. we aren't talking right from the engine horsepower or from a launch. this is a roll were the real car's power shows, not your slicks you just got can help you here.

its more about the driver than anything but the wrx is one of the easiest cars to tune that exists right now. my buddies 02 wrx with cai and cat back beat an evo with cai, uppipe, downpipe, catback. the evo shifted decent too and didnt miss anything. didnt bog too bad either but not sure about how a evos supposed to run tho. his wrx beat tuned rx7s, s2000s also, but ironicalloy, his only loss was to a crx. ahah

well heres the thing, a wrx puts down way more at the wheels then a stock or even fully moded spec v. yes it ways more but it also has way more power at the wheels. last time i checked a wrx has 227 at the crank. a spec v only has 175 and about 140-145 stock at the wheels. i used to be big into spec v's and i know that a fully bolted spec v will make around 175whp. my fully bolted spec v ran 14.5 which was very good when most other are running high 14's. a stock wrx at least puts down 180-190 whp. that more then makes up for the weight. i stick by my opinion that a wrx will kill a stock spec v from any point, and a wrx will morethan likley still beat a moded spec v. perhaps not by much but it will. and thats if you have two robots driving the cars without error. a stock wrx runs 14.2 a stock spec v runs 15.2 thats a second difference.

front wheel drive cars lose the least amount of power in the drivetrain, four wheel drive cars lose the most, you dont think the difference in percentage of drivetrain loss is big enough to negate a 20whp difference? say we lose 15% and they lose 30% we end up losing about 20hp or so, but they would lose about 70.....that puts us about even as far as wheel horsepower, then add in the extra weight of the drivetrain on the wrx and youve got an inferior power to weight ratio, yeah it runs faster in the quarter because of 4wd, but it WILL get burned from a roll, too much loss and too much weight, yes it runs faster in the quarter, but thats not the issue here, i have personally beaten one from a roll when i was stock, lets focus on one kind of race for now, 4wd makes drag races unfair anyways.....

the wrx is only quicker because of the better 60ft times due to the awd launches. on the highway i think my spec v could give a stock wrx a run for the money. a wagon will get beat.





and you agreed earlier about the highway run, so why are we arguing?

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM
"From a roll, especially at near highway speeds (40-60+) the spec v will kill the wrx."
think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

sentra spec V:
Horsepower: 175 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 180 @ 4k RPM

STI:
Horsepower: 227 @ 6k RPM
Torque: 217 @ 4k RPM

think about this..
Time and tima again if your at a roll or a stop the AWD will win in this case. due to the fact of the STI has 52 more HP and 37 more lbs of TQ. if you do the math...more traction and accel. It will still be the same principle even at speed. traction will overcome and HP will gain the win.

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....

it's wrx not sti....and,
u forgot about the weight.
average.....for every 10 lbs u loose 1 HP....
okey , Im sorry WRX. still if your math is on par you still lose. because the WRX still out classes the Sentra by 13 ponys. in HP VS wt. compairing the wts of the cars I got the diffrence this way. it will still gain the advantage. no to forget the turbo aspect as well.

Now if you do the same as well to the spec v.
you would be in the neg. with your formula..2710 div.this by ten right.
so you are saying you will lose more or less 271 HP due to the wt. of the car. now the car only has 175 ponys to start with??? :eek7: somthing is :screwy: 271-175= -96 ????? is this rith or am I missing something???

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done

Sorry, I was just trying to state facts.. if I don't have my facts in order please fill me in . I have had had both types of cars. so to me I see both sides of the fence. yes this is a dead subject.. Drama. :iceslolan

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?

you are right but power to weight ratio doesnt matter as much as you think. i dont have exact numbers but im speaking from life experiences. all that aside, i dont know why people even start "car A vs car B in the 1/4" debates. there are so many variables that it doesnt even matter about what road and track says.
just consider hp, tq, drivetrain, and weight for starters, and form your own opinions.
i fuck with crotch rockets on the freeway because they are scared to take the curves over 100 so my old auto sentra could beat them.

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?
wow turbo...:D it's all good. I'm not arguing with you .I think you and I are saying about the same thing. this VS game will heat up about any body that posts on it. this thread shoud be closed.

*thread closed* lol

i dunno man i'm still not convinced a spec v will take a wrx. i mean we need solid stats here. are we talking about a fully moded spec against a stock wrx? or are we talking a moded wrx and a moded spec. either way the more i think of this i realize how retarded this debate is. theres so many variables. either one of these cars could beet the other it just depends whats been done to them. now if its stock for stock i'm still going with the wrx. my spec v stock ran 15.1, and thats one of the faster stock specs out there. even with the whole AWD drivetrain loss debate in effect, with half a second slower from 14.2 thats still high 14's with out the awd advantage. the sentra still has to make up at least 3 tenths of a second in acceleration to match the wrx. I dunno i guess no one really hasd any proof or video evedence so i guess its all opinion so why argue no ones gonna change what they think. i think we need some high way race vids posted to really get this debate going cause right now this is just retarded.

just killed one last night, my intake header pulley vs his exhaust and intake, pulled him from 45, not by much but when we got to 80 he was a half car behind

I 'll see if I can get a hold of a friend in miami. he might have what we are looking for.:D

you probably raced an impreza. base 170hp version of the wrx. i mean i don't wanna rain on any ones parade but a wrx will kill a slightly moded spec v. i know for a fact because i had a fully moded specv and it ran a best of 14.5 on stock tires. a wrx will run 14.2 all day. so even if the wrx has the advantage of awd, from a roll your not gonna murder a wrx. only way thats gonna happen is two things: it was an impreza, or the guy wasn't racing. end of story. i been around a long time to know this. i been to the track everyother weekend for the past two yrs and i cruise around and race a lot.

i'd like to also add that when everyone reads the mags and sees the quarter times for the wrx they should realize that the test driver isn't launching that awd to its full capacity. they are conservative. so really the wrx in the quarter that everyone reads about isn't benefiting much from its awd. you could freaking launch that thing at 5k and it would just go. Plus i read up top you had intake,header,and pulley, that will get you, at best, a 14.6 or 14.7. you still have to make up almost half a second to even line up and honk three times to a wrx. This arguement is stupid its as clear as day guys. i know cause i used to be a die hard spec v guy and i've owned one. i like the car but facts are facts. i've seen street races and track times i know what i'm talking about.

i wasnt racing him on the track, posting quarter times doesnt mean anything, it was a wrx for sure, talked to the guy after the race, wrx isnt that fast stock, everytime you post quarter times just remember, theres the awd launch difference, i raced him on the street from a roll, whatever time you post is irrelevant

Yeah, it's really all about the launch. I Spec in the 14's can pull on a stock WRX from a roll. It's really simple. The only variable would be altitude. In a high city like Denver(haha very high now), the turbo has a power advantage in addition to the AWD launch. At sea level, a Spec-V should put up a good fight form a roll.

^^^^^
thank you sir......yeah ill get creamed from a dig, but the original question was from a roll and the wrx gets beat, you add any mods to it and it will walk the spec, but stock it gets beat, sorry to rain on teh parade

everyone has their experiences. mine is that my buddy's wrx with CAI and cat back beat an evo(intake, up pipe, downpipe, exhaust) and an s2000 and a FD rx7.
i didnt personally witness the honda or 7 but i saw the evo race and he raced him 3 times and beat him all 3 by like a car and a half. no way a spec could do that.
oh and i seen him race various 2wd cars (RSX-S, eclipse v6, and others) and he pulls them hard as hell even after launch.

in my experience given equal mods, any mods, a wrx will beat a spec. even on a roll
(of course i mean equal drivers too...)

yea theres no way a spec v can beat a wrx. i've seen slightly moded wrx's running 13's. No one launches those cars hard cause they don't wanna break shit. trust me a wrx pulls harder then a specv. check out the V-board. i have been a member on there for over a yr. it takes a lot to get a specv into the 13's. like full bolt ons an a shot of nitrous. i'm not calling anyone a liar i'm just saying a wrx if faster by far so there must be something we don't know.

But barely anybody who owns a WRX and races leaves it stock. It's so EASY to just raise the boost and go. It's very rare that Spec will even have the chance to race a WRX on stock boost.