BMW Museum in Munich.

F1GTRUeno

11-05-2009, 04:20 AM

I'm heading off to Munich in a little over a week, and planning on heading to the museum whilst I'm there.

Now I know BMW have F1's in their possession (silver roadcar/FINA GTR?) but from recent photos I've seen of the museum, I can't seem to find out if the cars are on display at all.

Does anyone know if they are or not? Most likely I'll never see an F1 in my life, so this could be my only chance to see one.

hurstg01

11-05-2009, 07:25 AM

Good luck, and fingers crossed you get to see one :)

F1GTRUeno

11-05-2009, 07:34 PM

Just to confirm, looks like I'm out of luck.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/01/museums-gt-gt-bmw-group-classic-collection.aspx

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod09/Gallery/BMW%20Collection/IMG_6265.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Rod09/Gallery/BMW%20Collection/IMG_6197.jpg

Here are the three they have, and they're all in a place that isn't open to the public, damn.

Le Man

11-07-2009, 02:29 PM

Contact them direct and ask politely, if you could visit them while you are over in Germany. They can only say yes or no!!

I have been meaning to post a load of pics sent to me recently by a forum member of his personal visit. But I have been so busy lately, not enough hours in the day :runaround:

Davidoff41

11-08-2009, 04:39 PM

Hello every one,

I have been in BMW Museum last august, and they were no McLaren at all...only the engine M75 (similar to the S70 from McLaren) that they used on the BMW LMR V12...

Regards

FatPenguin

11-13-2009, 01:31 AM

There were F1s in the BMW Museum last month, according to a member of a local BMW forum. :)

http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/bmw-singapore-motoring-life/35993-blog-my-bmw-m-power-experience-2009-big-pics-warning-2.html?highlight=museum

Peloton25

11-13-2009, 03:59 AM

There are two museums - one that is open to the public and one that is generally regarded as quite difficult to gain access too. It is the second one which houses the McLarens. It does seem that more and more people have managed a visit it recently though.

Thanks for the photos from that other forum. :)

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

11-13-2009, 04:35 AM

Hmm very..............Interesting. Indeed. Thanks for the images!

This Number #38must be #18R which is owned by BMW today? Or is this #17R? It can't be #16R. Or is it? :icon16:

This is very intersting, the driver names on the door, will found #16R back 1996...
http://kuvablogi.com/blog/1949/48/
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img1656719.jpg

Hmmm...........
1. I have totally wrong regonized car at Helsinki, not#16R?
2. They have mixed the racing numbers.........
3. They have put the drivers names on the door just in case....
4. Everything has been changed.......
5. Everything is mixed up.....:iceslolan

:screwy:

FatPenguin

11-13-2009, 07:03 AM

There are two museums - one that is open to the public and one that is generally regarded as quite difficult to gain access too. It is the second one which houses the McLarens. It does seem that more and more people have managed a visit it recently though.

Thanks for the photos from that other forum. :)

>8^)
ER

Ahh i see... Yes, the OP of that thread went for the BMW Driver's Academy thing if you read though... 2 rows of M3s and X6Ms :naughty:

Peloton25

11-13-2009, 11:36 AM

Yes, I went through the entire thread. Quite an event that was! :thumbsup:

Sami - that is #18R in the BMW Museum. It never wore that livery in real life though - it is a recreation of #16R at LeMans '96 and they have finally corrected the race number on the flanks and nose to read '38'.

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

11-13-2009, 01:11 PM

Sami - that is #18R in the BMW Museum. It never wore that livery in real life though - it is a recreation of #16R at LeMans '96 and they have finally corrected the race number on the flanks and nose to read '38'.

>8^)
ER

Ok! Things got clear once again. I quesed that it must be something like this. Thank you nice detail again!

I hope I'm not the only one who has took couple of whisky's try to understand and find the right chassis right racing number. When you have tree or four different information, right driver names, wrong racing number, but right livery....:grinno:

Peloton25

01-07-2010, 06:44 PM

I didn't have this photo in such a clear, and large format before, and like it a whole lot more now that I do.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/4839/1755/804077small.jpg (http://www.supercars.net/gallery/4839/1755/804077.jpg) <-- click

When I first looked at it, I almost took it for one of Richard Thompson's shots of #036. Then I realized the front plate is missing, and that it's actually #047 from the BMW Museum. I confirmed this as a fact, when I found an identical shot (crappy version) already with the rest on this car :cool:

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 12:25 PM

mini magic

01-13-2010, 12:35 PM

http://smiliesftw.com/x/fap.gif

Sami Aaltonen

01-13-2010, 01:01 PM

Brilliant! :thumbsup:

BUT!
Again that HTML document....ARGHG!:banghead:

Le Man

01-13-2010, 01:18 PM

Contact them direct and ask politely, if you could visit them while you are over in Germany. They can only say yes or no!!

I have been meaning to post a load of pics sent to me recently by a forum member of his personal visit. But I have been so busy lately, not enough hours in the day :runaround:

Just to "wet" everybodies appetite,

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9228/p1050932.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/p1050932.jpg/)

Who would like to see more? :evillol:

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 01:47 PM

Not me... :shakehead

>8^P
ER

F1GTRUeno

01-13-2010, 01:57 PM

Well I didn't try ringing them when I went in November, but I'm going back at the end of March so I've got plenty of time to consider it.

Le Man

01-13-2010, 01:57 PM

Not me... :shakehead

>8^P
ER

Are you sure?

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 02:24 PM

It was a joke - hence the (what I thought was) very obvious tongue (>8^P) in my little signature there.

Of course I want to see more - I never get tired of looking at F1 images. :naughty:

>8^)
ER

Le Man

01-13-2010, 03:19 PM

It was a joke - hence the (what I thought was) very obvious tongue (>8^P) in my little signature there.

Of course I want to see more - I never get tired of looking at F1 images. :naughty:

>8^)
ER

I got your joke, did you get mine :p

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 03:23 PM

Obviously not, but the :p was missing from your previous reply.

You silly Brits and your dry humor. I can laugh at Mr Bean and Monty Python skits, but beyond that a lot of it misses the mark for me.

>8^)
ER

Le Man

01-13-2010, 03:45 PM

Obviously not, but the :p was missing from your previous reply.

You silly Brits and your dry humor. I can laugh at Mr Bean and Monty Python skits, but beyond that a lot of it misses the mark for me.

>8^)
ER

I was only being lighthearted :uhoh:

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 04:00 PM

:)

So now, about those pics... :lol2:

>8^)
ER

Le Man

01-13-2010, 05:07 PM

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 05:12 PM

Well it's easy to say those are just about the best shots ever of #047. A set like these for every chassis please! :)

Thanks for sharing. Any chance the GTRs in the room were given similar attention?

>8^)
ER

Le Man

01-13-2010, 05:57 PM

Well it's easy to say those are just about the best shots ever of #047. A set like these for every chassis please! :)

Thanks for sharing. Any chance the GTRs in the room were given similar attention?

>8^)
ER

I totally agree........... and yes there are some pics of both GTR,s. Enjoy.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5846/p1060037d.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/p1060037d.jpg/) http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2163/p1060038i.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/p1060038i.jpg/) http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5107/p1060039.th.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/p1060039.jpg/) http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2838/p1060049.th.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/p1060049.jpg/) http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7858/p1060050z.th.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/p1060050z.jpg/)

Le Man

01-13-2010, 06:31 PM

Last few for now.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8910/p1060051.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/p1060051.jpg/) http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6026/p1060052.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/p1060052.jpg/) http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2658/p1060057.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/p1060057.jpg/) http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/725/p1060058.th.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/p1060058.jpg/) http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2898/p1060061.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/i/p1060061.jpg/)

Peloton25

01-13-2010, 07:00 PM

Most excellent stuff! Please extend my grattitude to the photographer doing such a wonderful job with the pics and for sharing. :smile:

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

01-14-2010, 04:10 AM

Yes, thank you very much to the phographer and you.

Phil

Sami Aaltonen

01-14-2010, 06:56 AM

:thumbsup: Absolutely stunning stuff! :runaround:

Hmmm again, I saw something very strange indeed.

#24R Longtail, was in 1997 Le Mans, Piquet, Soper, Lehto.
The car showed at the Museum is number #42 so it must be #24R then?
But chassis plate tells it to be #26R. Very........interesting. Same story than #18R case is...? Must be?

DocGTR

01-14-2010, 07:53 AM

Sami,

24R was lend to Gulf Team Davidoff after Le Mans 1997 as their chassis 22R had the fire in the LM'97 practise (DNS due to that) but then in Suzuka FIA GT practise John Nielsen almost distroyed the 24R and went to extensive repair before selling to EMKA that raced it in BGTC 1998 in the red EMKA/EMI/Harman Kardon livery used also in Le Mans 1998 as #40 that it also has today and was recently raced in a couple of 90's revival races. BMW kept the 26R that Lehto/Soper raced in FIA GT '97 second half of the season till the Sebring fire and some point reliveried it to the #42 even though really raced as #43 in LM'97. A bit similar story as with the 18R relivery to LM'96 16R #38 with the 17R's number 39. Maybe someone closer to BMW could explain at some point the reasons for these "faults".

hurstg01

01-14-2010, 12:55 PM

new clearer #26R chassis plate added here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=622549)

Sami Aaltonen

01-14-2010, 01:33 PM

Sami,

24R was lend to Gulf Team Davidoff after Le Mans 1997 as their chassis 22R had the fire in the LM'97 practise (DNS due to that) but then in Suzuka FIA GT practise John Nielsen almost distroyed the 24R and went to extensive repair before selling to EMKA that raced it in BGTC 1998 in the red EMKA/EMI/Harman Kardon livery used also in Le Mans 1998 as #40 that it also has today and was recently raced in a couple of 90's revival races. BMW kept the 26R that Lehto/Soper raced in FIA GT '97 second half of the season till the Sebring fire and some point reliveried it to the #42 even though really raced as #43 in LM'97. A bit similar story as with the 18R relivery to LM'96 16R #38 with the 17R's number 39. Maybe someone closer to BMW could explain at some point the reasons for these "faults".

OK, again great detail information about this. Fantastic!
I know those chassis during 97 season and LM 1997, that's why I was amazed about the chassis plate. Fortunately I were guite right tracks of this one.

Hmm maybe BMW wanted good examples of both GTR's with most closes livery of BMW history, FINA has been in the history common seen on BMW liveries. Maybe there wasn't any choice left. They wanted those two on the museum and they were have to make these different than they really were back 90's.
Maybe we someday got solution of this one.

Peloton25

07-03-2012, 09:50 PM

Apparently #26R is being displayed in the Welt Museum now for anyone who might have a chance to visit:

http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/b27f3c62bfd211e1a92a1231381b6f02_7.jpg

>8^)
ER

F1GTRUeno

07-04-2012, 04:57 AM

Entirely tempting to get a cheap flight and go, as skint as I am right now.

The museum is worth it full stop but I was gutted when I went that there wasn't an F1, missed the M8 as well.

Wonder how long it'll be there.

hurstg01

07-04-2012, 07:48 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSC_0305.jpg (http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703850) < click and scroll down ;)

Peloton25

07-04-2012, 09:56 AM

After viewing the link Greg just shared this definitely looks like the time to go and visit. What a display!

>8^)
ER

PatrickT82

07-04-2012, 02:29 PM

tempting! I havent seen 26R yet so I might just pay a visit to Munich this weekend, lol

royle

08-01-2012, 04:07 AM

Hi all!

I may be near Munchen next week and of course I would like to se an F1 in person (finally). Is the #26R still on display there?

Peloton25

08-02-2012, 03:22 AM

I don't know for sure - I did just find this new photo of it there posted July 31st on Instagram, but with no EXIF details to reference it could have been taken at any time really.

http://distilleryimage11.s3.amazonaws.com/b4c25124db3b11e1a9d522000a1e8a7c_7.jpg

If you will be close you might as well go and give it a shot - the rest of what they typically have on display is also worth seeing. :)

>8^)
ER

F1GTRUeno

08-03-2012, 09:16 AM

I'd urge anyone to go to Munich and to the museum anyway, both are brilliant places.

Just got a new job so can't really take a holiday but soon as I can I'm going back, hopefully #26R will be a permanent exhibit.

royle

08-24-2012, 11:54 AM

Hi all! I'm back from my short trip, I have visited the place but sadly there's no McLarens on display anymore, just to let you know :(

No F1 for me then, but I still got to see some great cars in nearby Meilenwerk Stuttgart, including 3 F1 models (grey and white roadcar and a small longtail GTR in GULF livery). You can see them in the links below, as well as a quick gallery of some other cars that lie around there - a lot of Lambos (including Aventador), some Ferraris and stuff :)

Grey roadcar (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royle888/7851712730/)
GULF GTR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royle888/7851716702/) (sorry for bad quallity, it was on the highest shelf in the store)
White roadcar (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royle888/7851718020/)

Meilenwerk Stuttgart gallery (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royle888/sets/72157631224499494/)

cheers

astonmartindbs001

08-24-2012, 09:05 PM

Damn! And just as I was lining up a trip to Germany around October or November later this year... Oh well, guess my F1 cherry will have to wait a little while more to be popped.

What scale were the models in? The silver one looks like the AutoART 1/18. The white one is a bit harder to peg, though it looks similar in size to the Minichamps/PMA 1/12 ones.

royle

08-25-2012, 05:05 AM

I'm not sure about the scale, but I would think they were all Minichamps models, as they are located in a Minichamps store inside Meilenwerk... The grey and white one were of similar size, maybe white one a bit bigger, but both around 25-30cm, I guess. The GTR is a lot smaller at about 10cm (and if I had any money left from the trip, it could've been mine :licka:). I hope this helps a bit.

LMMike

11-16-2012, 12:39 AM

Peloton25

11-16-2012, 01:35 AM

BMW AG - same with the GTRs - #18R and #26R. Previously they owned chassis #010, but their CEO killed it.

BMW USA owns #17R. It's kept in Hilliard, OH at Rahal-Letterman Racing.

>8^)
ER

LMMike

11-16-2012, 01:41 AM

Did they own 047 from the start when new or was it previously owned by a private collector?

Peloton25

11-16-2012, 01:54 AM

It's my understanding it was built to replace #010 and has been in their collection since new.

>8^)
ER

LMMike

11-16-2012, 02:01 AM

Thanks Erik! Too bad #10 is written off.:frown:

F1GTRUeno

11-16-2012, 02:22 PM

I'm presuming it doesn't have many miles on it.

hurstg01

11-18-2012, 02:12 PM

#047 is currently on show there, if the info with this pic is correct

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/8196370249_f90a178f46_k.jpg

roger_ph

11-19-2012, 10:42 AM

I'm presuming it doesn't have many miles on it.

When I sat in that particular F1 three years ago, it had covered less than 1500km !!!

roger_ph

12-08-2012, 04:31 PM

Here you can see a small article from the German car magazine Träume Wagen (12/2012):
http://www.traeume-wagen.de/traume-wagen/flotte-dreier-die-geschichte-der-dreisitzer/3/
They used several of my pictures which I've taken when I was at the BMW museum in 2009 ...

F1GTRUeno

12-09-2012, 06:12 AM

#047 is currently on show there, if the info with this pic is correct

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/8196370249_f90a178f46_k.jpg

That's ridiculous.

I was in Munich from the 9-12. Friggin week difference.

Le Man

12-09-2012, 08:00 AM

Here you can see a small article from the German car magazine Träume Wagen (12/2012):
http://www.traeume-wagen.de/traume-wagen/flotte-dreier-die-geschichte-der-dreisitzer/3/
They used several of my pictures which I've taken when I was at the BMW museum in 2009 ...

As allways my friend, your pictures are excellent :smokin: Congrats on getting them published, nice little article as well.

roger_ph

12-09-2012, 11:57 AM

Thanks for your compliments, my friend !

Warwickshire lad

12-16-2012, 11:02 AM

Hello Gentleman,

I have a question regarding the F1`s that BMW may have owned. I am a BMW employee and from time to time I work at the HQ in Bracknell, UK. I recall a chat with a guy about the F1`s “we “owned but can any of you clarify what we have had and if any have been sold.

I read with interest about the cars in Munich and understand a car was written off but any info would be great.

This site is great and makes me want to reach for the driving ambition book but it still in its cellophane and I don’t want to open it up.

Thanks!!

hurstg01

12-16-2012, 11:12 AM

'You' ;) have had

#047 [in the foreground], #18R [right rear] and #26R [middle rear]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/96368_m05_122_505lo_zps425d37e4.jpg

The one that crashed is believed to have been #010 driven by Bernd Piechstrieder, the former CEO of BMW who reportedly wrote it off in a high speed crash.

before
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/20607_mclarenf1monacod_122_482lo_zps9165eb1a.jpg

after
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/mcf1_unfall_zpsdfb4a06e.jpg

Warwickshire lad

12-16-2012, 11:34 AM

Wow that was fast!!

So do you believe that all the F1s BMW had on their books they still have? Other than the one that suffered a mishap?:uhoh:

If so this is great as I was under the impression that the Longtail was sold some time ago. From your images it seems to be safe and sound in MUC.

Thats great news:grinyes:

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