Dino 246 'Daytona' insert seats.

So far I've built half a dozen (mostly) out of the box builds but I also have a long-term 'on again, off again' project of a Fujimi Enthusiast Dino 246 GTS. My aim for this project is to build the most perfect Dino that my abilities will allow - all the time learning more automotive modelling skills along the way! I've done a few bits to the kit so far but I thought it might be fun to share what I've done with the seating.

The kit seats represent the standard Dino seats, and don't represent them especially well. I thought it would be nice for my model to have the optional 'Daytona' insert seats. I figured that the kits seats were 'OK' as a starting point but with all the effort to convert them to a) the correct shape and b) the correct pattern inserts, I may just as well scratchbuild new seats.

I suppose my approach my be unconventional but I'm simply happier working with epoxy putty than I am with styrene and other materials.

Resin casting has occured to me but looking at reference photos of the real car I see that very often the driver's and passenger's seat have slightly different appearances due, I suppose, to one seat always being sat upon and the other one only sometimes being sat upon! The seat inserts have 'squidged' and slipped to differing degrees on the real car and I wanted to show that difference on my kit too. Besides, I once tried resin casting and failed miserably and it's more of a challenge to make 2 seats, so make 2 seats is what I chose to do. The kit head restraints were incorrect too but I was able to easily convert them to the correct shape.
As you can see, there's still a long way to go on one of the seats, and the other one still has detail to be added. Due to the 'on again, off again' nature of this build I'll finish then as & when I am inspired to work on them. I hope the photos adequately explain what I've done.

Moderators: If you feel this thread is inappropriate please move, modify or delete as neccessary - after all, it's not a WIP of a car, just a pair of seats!

Jon.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_1.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_3.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_2.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_4.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_5.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_6.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_8.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_9.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_11.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_10.jpg

Don't forget most of the Dino 246's with Daytona seat inserts came with the "chairs and flairs" option. Most were 246 GTS's, but a few GT's were made with the option according to several sources. Most also had the
special wider wheels with a different design. Those will be alot of work if you decide to do them. Good luck!! Your seats look great so far.


Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo/Strictly 43rd revival 2010-Chicago

Yes, I'd love to do the flares too but building those Campagnolo wheels is WAY beyond my ability!
I've seen plenty of photos of non-flared Dinos with Daytona seats (maybe retro-fitted?) and I'll be content for my model to represent one of them.

You make it look way too easy. I can't wait to see a set of these inside a model.

Wow, those are really nice. If you do end up casting them I would seriously be interested in a set.

Oh watch out when you mold in the lower section of the nose to the body, it makes it a really tight fit later on.

Yes, I'd love to do the flares too but building those Campagnolo wheels is WAY beyond my ability!
I've seen plenty of photos of non-flared Dinos with Daytona seats (maybe retro-fitted?) and I'll be content for my model to represent one of them.

Great job on the seats, they look very realistic!
Do you have pictures of these Campagnolo wheels you are talking about. i'd like to take a look to them, maybe I can help you out.

Thanks for your comments chaps.

jla: When i mentioned resin casting I didn't mean casting in perhaps the way you think. I meant I considered scratchbuilding just one seat and then home casting the second one (or at least part of it) for use in my model.

jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg

jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg[/QUOTE]

with a lot of patience and insanity pills! :iceslolan :screwy:

Hi,

I'm working on project for a 1/24 model. I create 3D parts using a software and I'm going to have them 3D printed in a couple of weeks.

If you really want those wheels I can add them to my order and have them for you. I'll only need pictures of the wheel from the right angles and the dimensions (the dimensions of the tires you will use on the rims would be the best ones).

PS: The rims can also be made by hand but it would take more time and patience, however it isn't impossible if you build all the simple parts first and than put them all together.


jano: Here's an image of the Dino Campagnolo, taken from ferraris-online.com
How on earth would anyone even begin to build a 1/24 version of this??!!

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag.jpg

If you make them you can probably sell a few to the guys who bought
Studio 27 decals to make the Lemans 1972 NART Dino 246.

I know how hard it can be. I did the old Alfa T33 wheels for my GTAM and T33/2 models. The Gunze wheels are all wrong. Every tiny oval hole had a lip that had to be duplicated. It took alot of time!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010-Chicago

Well I'll give it a go, it will make our friend Cheesey happy for sure.
Can anyone post a few good picture of these rims together with the sizes of the tires that should fit on them (I suppose it's about the Fujimi kit tires?!).
Are they different size front and rear?

Jano, I'll pm you soon....I have plenty of images.

The rims are 14 inch x 7.5 inches, 1 inch wider than the stock Dino rims - same size, front & rear. I have no idea whatsoever if there are any tyres available that would fit, and would look 'period' enough.

Jon.

I took a look to my Fujimi kit and inner diameter of the tires is approx. 16 mm which is very close to what is needed for the 14'' rims.

So, here's a preview of the model:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/3537175676_67aee832d4_o.jpg

I'll need to know if you will use the same wheel hubs as in the Fujimi kit in order to make the wheel fit like the original Fujimi wheel.

Also I need to know if you want the cap that goes on the middle of the wheel and the bolts to be one piece with the wheel. Otherwise I do not add them and you can use aftermarket metal bolts if you wish.

Just let me know, what you think that needs to be changed.

Cheers,

Ioan

That is sensational! Would it be possible to add the two areas I've marked in red in the photograph below? Also, I notice you've modelled the small holes between each wheel nut hole - would it alos be possible to do the hole for the valve? Save me drilling it :)
As for the hub/fitting question, I think without the cap would be better - then I could use a metal or styrene rod to push through the central hole, and into the Fujimi hub. If the rod is shaped to have a domed top it would nicely represent the wheel's central cap. Does that make sense? Is it a good idea?
My model will be dispalyed with 2 wheels off of the car (to show the suspension etc) and will have the spare wheel displayed outside of the car too. So, I think holes instead of wheel nuts would be good - I would then only need to use aftermarket/scratch wheel nuts for the two wheels that will be displayed attached to the car. I'll send you phtographs of my work so far on the front suspension so you know what I mean.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/campag2.jpg


This thread has taken an unexpected turn in an unexpected direction and it's left my seats in the shade somewhat! I hope to be able to post photos of one finished seat in the next couple of days but I suspect your wheels will make my seats look rather silly! :)
I'm so amazed by what's happening - I really wanted to make a 'chairs & flares' Dino but I never expected I'd be able to. I am truly happy and grateful for your input!

Jon.

Hi Jon,

Don't worry, the seats are great. In fact the quality of your work was what prompted me to help you out with the wheels.
From the pictures you sent me it's obvious that you are doing an exceptional job on this model.

Sure I will make the hole for the valve on the wheel, it's easy to do and will probably spare you time that you can use on other things.
I'll also add the two areas with the Campagnolo and Dino writing (I'll see if I can add the text too, I'm not sure it will be possible to print it clearly given the small scale).

I'll go see what are the sizes and the positions of the holes on the Fujimi hubs as I need to position the ones on the rims to the right place According to the hubs (I made the model based on the pictures of the real wheels).

I'm thinking to make the wheels look like the real ones.
In my opinion it is much more important to have the wheels look like the real deal than adapt them to the Fujimi Wheel hubs. Modifying the wheel hubs to fit the wheels is not very complicated and the work will be worth if the end result will be looking closer to the real wheels.

I would like to express my keen interest in these wheels! I have been contemplating this same conversion to a chairs and flares dino since many years ago and only stopped because of the wheels! Jano your design looks spot on!

Updated:

That's perfection isn't it?!!
I'm sitting at my workbench fiddling with the seats - and I have a new found excitement and enthusiasm for this project. Thank you jano11 !!!

I would also love a set!!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

I'm sitting at my workbench fiddling with the seats - and I have a new found excitement and enthusiasm for this project. Thank you jano11 !!!

I'm glad I can help you out.

I'll probably send the models to the printing service next week. I don't know how long it takes until I get the parts, but I'll keep you all updated.

I would also love a set!!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

As would I!!

WTG boys!! :thumbsup:

An ultra cool WIP already and not even a single engine photo yet - love it! :D

Just to show that jano11 isn't the only one doing productive work on this thread, here's some progress from me too :)
There are some very obvious rough spots to be fixed and some detail needs to be refined but this seat is almost there. I'm not claiming it's perfect but I'm a whole lot more satisfied with this than I would be with the stock kit seats.
Jon.
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_12.jpg

That seat looks great! :)

I'm very interested in this thread and if anyone wants to market the wheels, count me in.
You might find this site interesting:

http://www.dinorestoration.com/

Paul

The seats look great especially the piping, very well done! I too would like a set of the wheels if you guys put it in production.

Paul, that site is where I got just about all of my reference photos for my kit build. It's quite a restoration project isn't it??!! Still waiting for him to start restoring the second Dino though....

Cheesey: super!
Jano: hopefully you want to count me in in the Campagnolo's gang ;) no matter the price.
Several my Stratos are crying waiting your rims ;) :D

I'm very interested in this thread and if anyone wants to market the wheels, count me in.
You might find this site interesting:

http://www.dinorestoration.com/

Paul


That restoration site points out the real weak point of the Dino 246, a steel block. The 206GT had an all alloy engine and body. Early 246GT's also had some alloy body panels(mid 1969 production). The power to weight ratio was better for the 206GT too. The 206GT looks better due to the shorter wheelbase(my opinion). The 206GT is also alot rarer( around 150 made). Only one 206GT raced, at Sebring in 1969 by NART.

You can see by the production figures why they made so few Ferrari 206's and so many 246's. The FIAT Dino 2000 took most of the Ferrari production up to mid 1969 when the 246GT Dino started its production. The steel block FIAT Dino is very rare as most of the engine units went into the "Ferrari" Dino's after mid 1969.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo-Strictly 43rd revival 2010

I haven't had a lot of free time this past week but I've managed to get the first seat finished. Phew!
Are there any comments/criticisms/suggestions for me before I send myself mad working on finishing the second seat?
Jon.

http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_13.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_14.jpg
http://www.cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/seats_15.jpg

Seat looks great! :thumbsup:

PS: The headrest supports look to be unequal but I'm sure it's only temporary. :)

PS: The headrest supports look to be unequal but I'm sure it's only temporary. :)

Yep, just balanced there for effect at the moment.

Wow ! fantastic job both of you seat and wheels !

You can add one set of each for me when casting.

Are you going to cast the Daytona seat version also ?

thanks

Excellent work! It looks like a kit seat.

Excellent work! It looks like a kit seat.

I respectfully disagree. It looks much better!

Wheel are not yet 100% ready, but getting closer every day.
Lack of proper tools is a hindrance, but I didn't manage to find a file that is only 0.2-0.3 millimeters thick and the thinning and cleaning up work is going slowly.

For now I'm at this stage:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3602442413_659dccd8eb.jpg

Once I'll have finished to thin the spokes down to a realistic size and clean it up properly I'll start casting it in resin.

PS: Sorry for the rather bad picture but this material is a pain in the behind to take pictures of.

Very nice work!!! Will look great on the Fujimi kit after the body is flared.

Tom

I'm really excited to see these features added for one of my favorite cars. If one or both of you are going to make copies of the seats or wheels, count me in as a customer!

Paul

hey john. i was wandering when you were going to start the dino again ( i was following it on spc)

great work on the seat by the way


allan

Hi Allan,
The Dino is my long-term project - I work on it for a few days, then put it away for a few weeks, work a few days, rest a few weeks. I'm finding it quite an intense project! During the 'rest periods' I try to develop my car modelling skills by (very slowly!) doing mostly out of the box builds, but trying new things on each one so I can apply them to the Dino. For instance, I'm currently working on Fujimi's Ferrari 512BB and I'm planning to make it my first model that will be displayed with the engine visible...so I'll be trying to add detail to the engine and learn lessons for when I do the Dino's engine.
The thread on SPC seemed to die a death (not enough interest maybe??) but perhaps I should resurect it one day. In the meantime, here are a couple of photos showing what I've done to the inside of the front bonnet - it will be displayed open so I thought I'd better improve the kit piece. Thinning the plastic was nerve-wracking but I feel the result is worth all the anxiety I suffered! :)

http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dino_74.jpg
http://cheesey153.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dino_76.jpg

As for the seats, I'd like to get castings of them if only for my own use on another project, another day. If I'm successful in getting them cast in resin (either by myself or by someone else) I'll let you all know.

Jon.

hi. looking good. i think you should reserect it. ive got a few fujimi em kits now (356 daytona convertible, bmw 6 series, and waiting on a 911 flat nose and a lambo countach to be delivered), so maybe i could join your thread


allan

The good ol' Enthusiast kit cook-off, was it? I had plans on joining, but the last thing I need is another uber-detailed half-finished project.:loser:

Little update concerning the wheels.
First resin copy has been made. I feel it is an OK result and I doubt I can make it much better.

Let me know what you think.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3580/3649454469_3a4a47684b_o.jpg

PS: The tire is from the Fujimi Dino kit.

I think it looks excellent and I want some :D

They look very nice. Good job!!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2010-Chicago

That looks great - especially considering the true size of the wheel compared to that highly magnified image. You should be very pleased with what you've achieved!

That looks great - especially considering the true size of the wheel compared to that highly magnified image. You should be very pleased with what you've achieved!

Glad to know you like it! :)

I'll to try to have 10 of them ready for you by Friday or next Monday.

BTW I made them 2 mm larger than the Fujimi wheels in case you decide to go with larger tires at the rear, but the resin is very easy to sand to the right size.

Any news on the wheels? I cant wait to get a set!

Any news on the wheels? I cant wait to get a set!

Hi,

I'm in the process of learning how to cast them properly. Some of them come up good some less, so it's taking a bit of time. For now I manage a set par day of well cast wheels (5x), as I only use a one wheel mold.

One of our fellow forum members agreed to make a good quality mold and than I will be able to produce them faster.

I'll keep everyone updated once I can produce them in a bigger quantity.

Thanks for your understanding. :)

What material did you use for your dino seats?

I would love a set of these wheels when you get them done. I have Dino kit that definitely needs them.
Nic

I absolutely want both the seats and couple sets of these wheels. Please (please, please!) make me some.

What material did you use for your dino seats?

Magic-Sculp.

I absolutely want both the seats and couple sets of these wheels. Please (please, please!) make me some.

Progress on the 2nd seat has stalled due to overriding domestic chores but it should be finished soon enough. Then, due to the generosity of another forum member, they can be cast in resin. Details to follow....

Progress on the 2nd seat has stalled due to overriding domestic chores but it should be finished soon enough. Then, due to the generosity of another forum member, they can be cast in resin. Details to follow....

That would be awesome. I'd buy several sets for sure.
I have few Dino projects in mind.

Fantastic work! I also would like some seats and wheels when they are available.

Note: I don't know how accurate you want to be but the 'Daytona' seats in the Dino was part of an option package commonly referred to as 'Chairs and Flares'. Those Dino's as part of the package had fender flares...see pics.

http://ctlauto.com/1974Dino.html

http://www.timwalkerrestorations.co.uk/images/Dino%20246GTS%20comp.JPG

I'll take some seats too!

Time for an update:

Personal circumstances have kept me away from my modelling bench for several weeks, so I have not been able to complete the seats yet. However, I'm now back on the job....

Earlier today the postman delivered a small cardboard package to my home. Inside were a number of resin castings of the Campagnolo wheels!
jano11 has done a brilliant job on these little beauties! The level of detail is superb, the castings are devoid of any pin holes/air bubbles and there is only minimal flash to be removed from around the wheels' piercings - a very simple and quick job. The wheels are cast to the correct width of the Campagnolos, leaving the modeller the option of either adding a tyre wider than the Fujimi kit tyre, or reducing the Campagnolos' width to fit the kit tyre.
Quite simply, these little gems look like Dino Campagnolos - and you can't complain about that, eh?

I will clean one of them and put some paint on as soon as time allows, and then post a photo here.

Thanks again jano11, you've made me very happy!

Jon.