They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

you might be onto something there.
if we had guns, maybe we'd have less of an alcohol problem here.

You don't really need to look into history to point out the fallacy in his statement.

Take a look at whatever news sites and just search for murders, rapes and other acts of violence and you'll find that acts commited by Islamic Extremists are the minority.

A cursory look at the BBC sites gives me at least 10 counts of murder on the first two pages committed by non muslims.
Traditional penalties for theft in a Muslim society, would result in the removal of the fingers, or hands (depending on the severity of the crime) and penalties for rape would result in public stoning, or a hundred lashes and banishment for one year, or getting their nuts cut off. :iceslolan Maybe the UK & US could use some Muslim justice as a deterrent! Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit these crimes. :wink:

Actual methods of capital punishment vary from place to place. In some Muslim countries, methods have included beheading, hanging, stoning, and firing squad. Executions are held publicly, to serve as warnings to would-be criminals.

Allah says; (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).

You don't really need to look into history to point out the fallacy in his statement.

Take a look at whatever news sites and just search for murders, rapes and other acts of violence and you'll find that acts commited by Islamic Extremists are the minority.

A cursory look at the BBC sites gives me at least 10 counts of murder on the first two pages committed by non muslims.
When it comes to extremist nut-jobs.....NOT your run of the mill city crimes.....Islamic anal pores lead the charge here. NO QUESTION! Not the Baptists! Not the Mormons! Not the Catholics! General murder on the streets are not the issue.

run off the mill city crimes?
So if I take your rationale, seeing as there are more run off the mill city crimes than Islamic extremist related crimes, then run off the mill city people are more criminalistic than Islamic extremists?
To use your words, run off the mill city people lead the charge in theft, rape and murder.

Okay.....I....will....type.....really....slow....
I used "run 'of' the mill" to indicate crimes that occur regardless of ANY religious leanings. A guy gets involved in "road rage" and blows somebody away. THAT would NOT constitute a crime where a religious passion was the cause. Crimes like that will happen anywhere and anytime.
Religious extremists DON'T fall into that category. Geesh! Don't you see ANY difference here?

Once again, Islamic extremists are not representative of the religion.

Extremists are a minority of a minorty.
Islam is peaceful.
Christianty is peaceful.
All religions are peaceful.
Extremists are often not.

Is that a difficult concept to grasp?

If all you're looking at are religious based crimes, where does attacking abortion clinics and their staff because you believe abortion is anti christian come into it all?
Where does the Westboro Baptist Chusrh come into it?
Where does the swindling ways of the tele-evangelicals come into it?

Is the crime only bad if it is violent?

Christianity has more than its fair share of nutjobs.

Damn, is this still going on? It has now deteriorated to the point that neither of you are adding anything of value, and simply repeating yourselves over and over. I suggest that you both accept that not everyone will agree on certain subjects and move on with your lives.

I suggest that you both accept that not everyone will agree on certain subjects and move on with your lives.

Fair enough.
I just happen to click onto AF during a tea-break.
I just don't like the idea that some people think that if they aren't challenged, they are right.

Cults are NOT = Christianity!

And i know a lot of Muslims who also say that "the extremists are NOT muslims"

I dont even know why drunken monkey was arguing with you guys, both religions were created by man, to me they're all garbage, so speaking with an unbiased perspective here's a few "Christian" problems.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades

And i know a lot of Muslims who also say that "the extremists are NOT muslims"

I dont even know why drunken monkey was arguing with you guys, both religions were created by man, to me they're all garbage, so speaking with an unbiased perspective here's a few "Christian" problems.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades


thegladhatter fails to recognize that the christian church is still probably the largest religion to commit such wide spread murder in history. Between the crusades and the witch hunts, the estimates are staggering.


The vast majority of people are bible illiterates. They only hear the palatable verses from the pulpit and blindly accept that the bible emanates goodness and is the word of God.

Any honest, thinking person reading through the bible cannot ignore the blatant misogyny and barbarity towards women. The eminent 'men of God" who wrote the bible were the product of patriarchal, tribal, violent, intolerant, monotheistic society. They reflect the ignorance and brutality of that society and at the dawn of a new millennium, fundamentalists insist that we should all abide by biblical law.

source (http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/womenbible.htm)

The vast majority of people are bible illiterates. They only hear the palatable verses from the pulpit and blindly accept that the bible emanates goodness and is the word of God.

Any honest, thinking person reading through the bible cannot ignore the blatant misogyny and barbarity towards women. The eminent 'men of God" who wrote the bible were the product of patriarchal, tribal, violent, intolerant, monotheistic society. They reflect the ignorance and brutality of that society and at the dawn of a new millennium, fundamentalists insist that we should all abide by biblical law.
Please Read: :rolleyes: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=935213

Please don't forget to quote your source of info when paraphrasing or cut/pasting! :nono: http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/womenbible.htm

Please Read: :rolleyes: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=935213

Please don't forget to quote your source of info when paraphrasing or cut/pasting! :nono: http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/womenbible.htm



Didn't see the sticky, thanks for the PM.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97H2SJ00&show_article=1

Yet another bunch of peaceful muslims…..:rolleyes:


Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight

Apr 12 02:09 PM US/Eastern
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES
Associated Press Writers

MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said.
A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was not on the lifeboat was in custody.
Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby.
Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m. EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news.
The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment.
When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship.
A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down.

Interesting that the article mentions nothing about those pirates being Muslim.
Those come from the same line as the Barbary pirates T Jefferson fought against. (the ones who co-erced the U.S. to sign a document saying we were not a Christian nation!)
And to think Obama believes you can talk and negotiate with people like this!
He is in for a rude awakening!

Interesting that the article mentions nothing about those pirates being Muslim.

:lol:

That is true, however, it is implied since just about all Somali citizens are Sunni Muslim. We had many Somali workers when I was stationed in Saudi Arabia and they were all Muslim and went to the 5 prayers daily.

I don't believe the Somali pirates are doing their dirty deeds based on the Islamic religion or operating as Islamic extremists but of course you never know for sure. Obviously they are doing it for monetary gain like any other pirate(s).

They danged sure weren't baptists or catholics now were they? Actually I heard it discussed on tv that they were muslims. Whether that was their motivation or not...who knows. BUT their moral compass sure didn't prevent it.

:lol:

That is true, however, it is implied since just about all Somali citizens are Sunni Muslim. We had many Somali workers when I was stationed in Saudi Arabia and they were all Muslim and went to the 5 prayers daily.

I don't believe the Somali pirates are doing their dirty deeds based on the Islamic religion or operating as Islamic extremists but of course you never know for sure. Obviously they are doing it for monetary gain like any other pirate(s).

Of course I can't think of any non -Muslim nation having a problem with this kind of piracy.
Are there any documented Christians found guilty of this kind of piracy?
I can't think of any.
I have heard it's particularly bad near Somalia because there is no government to enforce law and order, so these pirates can get away with it there.

Of course I can't think of any non -Muslim nation having a problem with this kind of piracy.
Are there any documented Christians found guilty of this kind of piracy?
I can't think of any.


For point of reference; the police profile for a sexual offender is a 40 something male, educated and goes to church regularly.

The typical 40 something male who is educated and goes to church regularly is not a sexual offender.

Give me a sexual offender over these bastards any day! A drunk monkey can kick a pervert's ass! These maggots kill too many in clusters!
Geesh......no wonder the UK is becoming a muslim state!

For point of reference; the police profile for a sexual offender is a 40 something male, educated and goes to church regularly.

The typical 40 something male who is educated and goes to church regularly is not a sexual offender.

As gladhatter said, piracy/terrorism is a far cry from a sex offender.

And not every church goer is a Christian at heart!

Comparing apples to oranges.

Sex offender is a vague term and a lot of times the crime is not really that bad depending on what perspective you have. Plus there are females that are sex offenders like school teachers. If a female school teacher had sex with one of my sons before age 17 or as a minor I would give her a hug and give him an attaboy. :lol:

Comparing apples to oranges.

Sex offender is a vague term and a lot of times the crime is not really that bad depending on what perspective you have. Plus there are females that are sex offenders like school teachers. If a female school teacher had sex with one of my sons before age 17 or as a minor I would give her a hug and give him an attaboy. :lol:


:rofl:

I have been trying to stay out of this thread but I couldn't help but laugh about that.

It is true that we have a double-standard as far as how sex offenders are looked at between males and females. You hear of a female teacher having sex with a younger male student all the time now. Then, you see Jay Leno joking about it on the Tonight Show. Can you imagine if there was a bunch of male teachers out there having sex with 12 and 13 year old girl students?! That man would have his limbs chopped off and tossed into the lion's den before having his court appearance.

Comparing apples to oranges.

Sex offender is a vague term and a lot of times the crime is not really that bad depending on what perspective you have. Plus there are females that are sex offenders like school teachers. If a female school teacher had sex with one of my sons before age 17 or as a minor I would give her a hug and give him an attaboy. :lol:


The point is, no one should generalize anyone because of there beliefs. It's like me thinkin every Catholic Priest is a pervert or a Pastor/Bishop are always sleeping around with hookers (Jimmy Swaggart) or every white people are serial killers. Get the point?

Gladhatter, I suggest you go talk to some of Muslims and ask questions. Hatred is not going to get you anywhere. All my teachers are nothing but the most humble people that I have met along with my friends and family. We're all humans and we're not perfect in any way. We're infallible.

The point is, no one should generalize anyone because of there beliefs.

Still comparing apples to oranges and obviously there are a lot of one sided arguments in this thread.

I agree to a point but needless to say that is the perception of many Americans whether you like it or not. You can blame 9/11 or whatever. Since this is a free country we have freedom of expression/speech even though it may be based on bigotry or hatred. Acting out on that is another issue.

Here are some interesting reads. Check 'em out.


Source: Washington Post

Negative Perception Of Islam Increasing
Poll Numbers in U.S. Higher Than in 2001 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR2006030802221.html)


Panel says Americans suffer from "Islamophobia," Muslims suffer from anti-Americanism (http://media.www.ramcigar.com/media/storage/paper366/news/2007/10/30/News/Panel.Says.Americans.Suffer.From.islamophobia.Musl ims.Suffer.From.AntiAmericanis-3064943.shtml)

Personally as most can see I'm tolerant and supportive of people of the Muslim faith and/or Middle Easterners because I have a good understanding of them based on actual life experiences. I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for over 3 years and currently work with many Iraqis that came to the U.S. over the past two years. They work in our Counter-Insurgency program. Now what is interesting is their hatred of one another which is another issue. Sunni versus Shia and Shia versus Sunni. Explain that one. :sly:

Sunni versus Shia and Shia versus Sunni. Explain that one. :sly:

Only if you explain blacks vs whites/ Puerto Ricans vs Mexicans/ Chinese vs Japanese/ British vs Irish/ Protestants vs. Catholics....

I agree to a point but needless to say that is the perception of many Americans whether you like it or not. You can blame 9/11 or whatever. Since this is a free country we have freedom of expression/speech even though it may be based on bigotry or hatred. Acting out on that is another issue.


I don't blame Gladhatter or anyone that thinks like him just because they simply don't know about Islam. They get it from the media and the media always gives out bad perception on everyone. Or from anti-Islamic websites claiming that they're "knowledgeable" about the religion.

I don't understand how it's a one sided argument when I'm trying to show that there's double standards in almost everything. I mean seriously who is perfect?? When Islam is about peace, why assume that every Muslim is peaceful? We make mistakes and again we are human. Islam is a code of life we live by and not everyone lives by the code or law.

I agree to a point but needless to say that is the perception of many Americans whether you like it or not. You can blame 9/11 or whatever. :
We can't blame a date! We need to remember what happened on that date at the hands of islamic nutsacks! Remember WHO did it and do everything possible to ensure that it NEVER happens again! Far too many have already forgotten.

Only if you explain blacks vs whites/ Puerto Ricans vs Mexicans/ Chinese vs Japanese/ British vs Irish/ Protestants vs. Catholics....

:confused:

I was waiting for the race card to be pulled. :rolleyes: In my question to you which was fair I was not talking about people of different races. Using Iraq as an example the Sunnis and Shites are the same same race of people...i.e. Arab. Although they are of the same religion obviously they have major differences among each other including how Islam is supposed to work and continue to kill each other. I'm all ears.

Mellowboy, I guess we should assume that you are one of the more peaceful members of the Islamic faith and I just wish there were more like you!

BTW, what is the benefit of some Islamic terrorist sacrificing their own life to drive a car bomb into a group of innocent people? Do they get extra credit from "Allah" (The Moon God) in the hereafter for the more they kill; or does Allah only gives points for killing infidels and not necessarily innocent bystanders? In addition, do they suffer judgment (fewer virgins) for killing non-infidels? Sorry, but I just can't rationalize this type of religious extremism!

(fewer virgins) I've wondered about this, are these special virgins, so that after you screw them, you just push a button and turn them back into virgins? Regenerative vaginas maybe? Otherwise, what's the point after about a month none of them will be virgins anymore. Then you'll be stuck will all these bitches running around nagging the shit out of you for all eternity.

Hell, I guess it's better than spending an eternity, walking through a garden holding hands with some long haired dude named Jesus... :naughty:

:confused:

I was waiting for the race card to be pulled. :rolleyes: In my question to you which was fair I was not talking about people of different races. Using Iraq as an example the Sunnis and Shites are the same same race of people...i.e. Arab. Although they are of the same religion obviously they have major differences among each other including how Islam is supposed to work and continue to kill each other. I'm all ears.


You're obviously not getting it. Whether it's race or religion, both develops racism and hatred towards each other regardless if it's against there beliefs or not. It's human nature!! There's ppl in our community that wont talk to each other because of PROFESSION! Business people think they're better than doctors and vice versa.

:confused:

I was waiting for the race card to be pulled. :rolleyes: In my question to you which was fair I was not talking about people of different races. Using Iraq as an example the Sunnis and Shites are the same same race of people...i.e. Arab. Although they are of the same religion obviously they have major differences among each other including how Islam is supposed to work and continue to kill each other. I'm all ears.

Half of his post was about people who are the same race who deal with similar issues as Sunnis and Shiites, ie British vs Irish and more specifically Protestant Irish vs Catholic Irish.

Mellowboy, I guess we should assume that you are one of the more peaceful members of the Islamic faith and I just wish there were more like you!


There's millions that are peaceful. They're easier to find than the ones that you hear on tv.




BTW, what is the benefit of some Islamic terrorist sacrificing their own life to drive a car bomb into a group of innocent people? Do they get extra credit from "Allah" (The Moon God) in the hereafter for the more they kill; or does Allah only gives points for killing infidels and not necessarily innocent bystanders? In addition, do they suffer judgment (fewer virgins) for killing non-infidels? Sorry, but I just can't rationalize this type of religious extremism!

OK first it's forbidden to kill anyone that's innocent. Second, where did you ever get an idea that God is a "moon God." I'd like for you to show me where you get this idea from.

Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.9

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 445

Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:
The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."


Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 446

Narrated Abu Huraira-:
The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 73

Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:
(who was one of the companions who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet underneath the tree (Al-Hudaibiya)) Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever swears by a religion other than Islam (i.e. if somebody swears by saying that he is a non-Muslim e.g., a Jew or a Christian, etc.) in case he is telling a lie, he is really so if his oath is false, and a person is not bound to fulfill a vow about a thing which he does not possess. And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection; And if somebody curses a believer, then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him."


On the authority of Jundub ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “There was amongst those before you a man who had a wound. He was in [such] anguish that he took a knife and made with it a cut in his hand, and the blood did not cease to flow till he died. Allah the Almighty said: ‘My servant has himself forestalled Me; I have forbidden him Paradise.’”

It was related by al-Bukhari. (Hadith Qudsi 28)



Surah Al-Kahf verse 74-"Then they both proceeded, till they met a boy, he (Khidr) killed him. Mûsa (Moses) said: "Have you killed an innocent person who had killed none? Verily, you have committed a thing "Nukr" (a great Munkar - prohibited, evil, dreadful thing)!"




Surah Al-Nisa verse 29-30-"O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allâh is Most Merciful to you.[] (29) And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allâh."


Surah Al-Maeda verse 32- "Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!"




etc....

You're obviously not getting it. Whether it's race or religion, both develops racism and hatred towards each other regardless if it's against there beliefs or not. It's human nature!! There's ppl in our community that wont talk to each other because of PROFESSION! Business people think they're better than doctors and vice versa.

Obviously it is human nature and has been going on for thousands of years. Actually I do get but we are talking about the extremists that use religion as a scape goat or excuse but that makes for bad publicity. But again lets not compare apples to oranges. This thread is starting to get ridiculous.

I don't understand how it's a one sided argument when I'm trying to show that there's double standards in almost everything. I mean seriously who is perfect?? When Islam is about peace, why assume that every Muslim is peaceful? We make mistakes and again we are human. Islam is a code of life we live by and not everyone lives by the code or law.


That is a lie. If it was true those "Muslim" nations in the Middle east wouldn't be trying to annihilate Israel and calling the U.S. the "Great Satan"

Comparing apples to oranges.

Sex offender is a vague term and a lot of times the crime is not really that bad depending on what perspective you have. Plus there are females that are sex offenders like school teachers. If a female school teacher had sex with one of my sons before age 17 or as a minor I would give her a hug and give him an attaboy. :lol:

I expected higher standards from you Bnaylor!

That is a lie. If it was true those "Muslim" nations in the Middle east wouldn't be trying to annihilate Israel and calling the U.S. the "Great Satan"

No it's not lie. Orthodox Jews are against Israel also, what do you have to say about them? There's no "true Muslim" nations without a caliph. US is already probably the most hated country worldwide, not just middle east.

I expected higher standards from you Bnaylor!

Moot issue for me since my children are already grown up (21 y.o. and older) and on their own. So I really don't have to worry about it and it was just a hypothetical situation.

However, I do have much higher standards than my Saudi friends who think that marrying and impregnating a 12-13 year old girl is fine with them. It is done every day over there. Not to mention being able to have up to 4 wives.

Second, where did you ever get an idea that God is a "moon God." I'd like for you to show me where you get this idea from.Just Goggle "Allah the Moon-God" you will find many; here is one: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic studies at College de France, Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah.

He concludes:
"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god." In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" (William Montgomery Watt, Muhammad's Mecca, p. vii. Also see his article, "Belief in a High God in Pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. 16, 1971, pp. 35-40).


Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:
"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York, Barrons, 1987, p. 28).

According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p. 36).
:evillol:

Not to mention being able to have up to 4 wives.
That's further proof that they are off their beans!!! Plus it explains why they are so willing to strap dynomite to themselves and blow stuff up!!

No it's not lie. Orthodox Jews are against Israel also, what do you have to say about them? There's no "true Muslim" nations without a caliph. US is already probably the most hated country worldwide, not just middle east.

Orthodox Jews are not strapping bombs to themselves, killing people and trying to annihilate Israel.

How is it that Muslim sympathizers cannot see how The Muslim religion and doctrine warps the mind and thinking of those who adhere to it, to the point of killing innocent people?:disappoin

How is it that Muslim sympathizers cannot see how The Muslim religion and doctrine warps the mind and thinking of those who adhere to it, to the point of killing innocent people?:disappoin
It's no different than Christianity, or pretty much any other religion. The whole point of religion is to warp the mind and thinking to a certain set of beliefs. It was designed to control the masses, and has worked well... much easier than trying to control people that think for themselves. The funny thing is that everyone can see how utterly ridiculous every other religion is other than their own.

something interesting to read (http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf) in light of this discussion.

Orthodox Jews are not strapping bombs to themselves, killing people and trying to annihilate Israel.

How is it that Muslim sympathizers cannot see how The Muslim religion and doctrine warps the mind and thinking of those who adhere to it, to the point of killing innocent people?:disappoin


Right. :rolleyes: Again, suicide is forbidden in Islam and killilng innocent ppl is forbidden. Did you not read my previous post? Just because you see some that strap bombs unto themselves doesn't represent anything in Islam. You guys are really stubborn!Thats why when we protest againist Israel's onslaught, Muslims and Jewish people come together. I have videos if you wanna see it. IF anyone here is in Tucson, we build up the wall in the UofA campus to protest.

Just Goggle "Allah the Moon-God" you will find many; here is one: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

:evillol:

Yeah well they're wrong. Would go to a mechanic for your health check up?? :)

And to provide a similar sort of discussion about the origins of Christianity:

link. (http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/true_origins_christianity.html)

Quite a link there DM, and what a twisted sense of reality exposed! Just goes to show you, some people can make an apple look like an orange!

We all are well aware and familiar with the luxurious life style and the power of the patriarch religious mullahs representing the three (3) Abrahamic, Adam and Eve based religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These religious mullahs have been claiming that we, the humankind must sacrifice and are here only to Glorify God and obey HIM, - - which in reality, it means to Glorify the barbaric elitist mullahs and obey them as the self-proclaimed ambassadors and voices of the ultimate holy criminal, the murdering, sadistic, chauvinist, racist, sexist, anti-reason, blood thirsty masculine MALE GOD. - - A God so confused who fools but assures, - Jews, Christians and Muslims -, all, the very same nonexistence promised heaven above, only if they convert each-other to their faith, even if they had to kill them to go where it does not exist!!!

Right. :rolleyes: Again, suicide is forbidden in Islam and killilng innocent ppl is forbidden. Did you not read my previous post? Just because you see some that strap bombs unto themselves doesn't represent anything in Islam. You guys are really stubborn!Thats why when we protest againist Israel's onslaught, Muslims and Jewish people come together. I have videos if you wanna see it. IF anyone here is in Tucson, we build up the wall in the UofA campus to protest.

Well according to the terrorists it DOES represent Islam. And there are a lot of them.
Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

It's no different than Christianity, or pretty much any other religion. The whole point of religion is to warp the mind and thinking to a certain set of beliefs. It was designed to control the masses, and has worked well... much easier than trying to control people that think for themselves. The funny thing is that everyone can see how utterly ridiculous every other religion is other than their own.

Do you think Atheism or non-belief isn't also a "mindset" to control the masses?
Everyone will hold to some set of beliefs. Their beliefs will either be constructive or destructive.
I choose the first one.

Do you think Atheism or non-belief isn't also a "mindset" to control the masses?
Everyone will hold to some set of beliefs. Their beliefs will either be constructive or destructive.
I choose the first one.I'm having a hard time understanding, please explain to me how studying science, history and religious texts to come to your own conclusions can be interpreted as someone being controlled.

Well according to the terrorists it DOES represent Islam. And there are a lot of them.
Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

Why should we? We're not held responsible for other people's actions. Just because they say they "represent" Islam doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Compare them to the majority of the Muslims and you will find the majority against them. Nothing in the Qur'an backs up there actions, in fact they're called hypocrites or criminals like it mentioned in the Qur'an. You need to get out there and talk to Muslims in person and reading help also.

Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!
EXACTLTY!!!!!
Where's the muslim leadership when these "non-muslim" actions take place? It seems the only ones condeming them are the ones that might get their asses beat or they want something from the U.S.

. .You need to get out there and talk to Muslims in person and reading help also.
No thanks....no negotiating with terrorists.....and I read just fine, thank you very much. (I think for myself too....try it sometime)

No thanks....no negotiating with terrorists.....and I read just fine, thank you very much. (I think for myself too....try it sometime)


Right. Now I'm a terrorist. Thanks.:rolleyes:

This is getting a little uncivil folks. There are also several posts that are claiming fact when its simply mislead perception. Keep it factual and discussion-like or I'll close it. I don't mind a good argument, but it must be adult, respectful, and based on provable fact or I'll close it faster than you can say "obama."

To call a Muslim a terrorist is like saying that all Christians are IRA members, or that all Jews kill Muslims, or that all Adventists are vegetarian.

And if you want to nitpick things... add up all the lives that have been taken in the name of MAINSTREAM Christianity throughout history during times like the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Slavery, American colonialism, and European Imperialism. Then compare it to the miniscule amount of lives taken by the relatively recent extremist terrorists and I think you'll find that Christians have that tally beat by a few billion.

You think you're right, just like your Christian ancestors thought it was right to kill Africans, Native Americans, and Siberians for the Glory of God.

Terrorists don't have to be Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists. The tiny percentage of the Muslim population that is terrorist-related is probably about the same percentage of current whack-job Christians who blow up abortion clinics, beat gays to death with baseball bats, and go on TV asking for money while they cheat on their wives.

If I were a Muslim, I'd be pretty proud of my people for exercising as much restraint as we have given the current prejudice heaped on them. After all, when Christians want oil in the name of Christ, we just invade oil-rich countries, overthrow their government, and put a christian-based government in its place. That's how we came to live in America when European Catholics came over and raped Native Americans. That's how every country in Africa became an enslaved European colony. That's how Europe quadrupled its size during the Crusades. That's how Europe took over South America and Britain took Australia. That (along with the promise of economic prosperity) was Hitler's motivation for killing Jews.

So let's not compare 2 millenia of violent Christian oppression in almost every country in the world to a couple decades of a tiny Muslim pin-pricks, shall we?

Jeez :rolleyes:

This is getting a little uncivil folks. There are also several posts that are claiming fact when its simply mislead perception. Keep it factual and discussion-like or I'll close it. I don't mind a good argument, but it must be adult, respectful, and based on provable fact or I'll close it faster than you can say "obama."

To call a Muslim a terrorist is like saying that all Christians are IRA members, or that all Jews kill Muslims, or that all Adventists are vegetarian.

And if you want to nitpick things... add up all the lives that have been taken in the name of MAINSTREAM Christianity throughout history during times like the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Slavery, American colonialism, and European Imperialism. Then compare it to the miniscule amount of lives taken by the relatively recent extremist terrorists and I think you'll find that Christians have that tally beat by a few billion.

You think you're right, just like your Christian ancestors thought it was right to kill Africans, Native Americans, and Siberians for the Glory of God.

Terrorists don't have to be Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists. The tiny percentage of the Muslim population that is terrorist-related is probably about the same percentage of current whack-job Christians who blow up abortion clinics, beat gays to death with baseball bats, and go on TV asking for money while they cheat on their wives.

If I were a Muslim, I'd be pretty proud of my people for exercising as much restraint as we have given the current prejudice heaped on them. After all, when Christians want oil in the name of Christ, we just invade oil-rich countries, overthrow their government, and put a christian-based government in its place. That's how we came to live in America when European Catholics came over and raped Native Americans. That's how every country in Africa became an enslaved European colony. That's how Europe quadrupled its size during the Crusades. That's how Europe took over South America and Britain took Australia. That (along with the promise of economic prosperity) was Hitler's motivation for killing Jews.

So let's not compare 2 millenia of violent Christian oppression in almost every country in the world to a couple decades of a tiny Muslim pin-pricks, shall we?

Jeez :rolleyes:

I've seen a lot worse at this forum over the past several years. Lets not blow things out of proportion. Heated debates are normal here due to people's beliefs and ideology. If people can't take the heat or put up a reasonable factual non one sided argument or have problems getting their feelings hurt then get out while you can. Also, we do not restrict free speech within reason at this particular forum.

And before any thread is closed at the Politics, Current Events forum I would highly recommending submitting it to Mod Corner for review with no unilateral action. :nono:......:wink:

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end? :)

I'm such a hyprcite :D

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end? :)

I'm such a hyprcite :D

Yeah I noticed that. :uhoh: No big deal. :wink:

I do agree we need to tone down the rhetoric so please lets keep it civil or the Moderating Staff may have to take action on it.

Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

link 1 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1554177.stm)
link 2 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm)
link 3 (http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=50802#compstory)
link 4 (http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=82592&sectionid=351020601)

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end? :smile:

I'm such a hyprcite :biggrin:

Welcome to an open forum where everyone is welcome to post their opinion, or "rhetoric", whatever it may be. Censorship is not the cure, let the discussion continue without interference. :2cents: