why viper?

why would they jump from 500hp to 600-650 i can believe 550 but not that much lol, man viper is doing too good for only being 10 years old... good job viper, i am a big fan of vipers, but will never ever love em as much as a lamborghini diablo sv, and 6.0...

Two reasosn for the jump in HP:
- New Hemi layout adds more top end power
- 10 throttle bodies add 120 HP and 1,700 rpm to the red line. This is an example of just how underrated and choked off the Viper engines are. The race cars do over 800 HP and 900 lb-ft of torque normally aspirated.

If you love the Diablo's you better have deep pockets to service them. If you had to buy a Lambo, buy a Murci or Gallardo. The difference between the older Lambo's and the new ones? The 10,000 mile tune up on a Diablo goers for $29,000 versus the Murci's 30,000 mile tune up is $1,500. The math isn't hard to do...

On top of this, the Murci and Gallardo's chassis and suspensions are far superior to the Diablo's. Audi did a kick a$$ job in designing the new Lambo's.

Brad

Two reasosn for the jump in HP:
- New Hemi layout adds more top end power
- 10 throttle bodies add 120 HP and 1,700 rpm to the red line. This is an example of just how underrated and choked off the Viper engines are. The race cars do over 800 HP and 900 lb-ft of torque normally aspirated.

If you love the Diablo's you better have deep pockets to service them. If you had to buy a Lambo, buy a Murci or Gallardo. The difference between the older Lambo's and the new ones? The 10,000 mile tune up on a Diablo goers for $29,000 versus the Murci's 30,000 mile tune up is $1,500. The math isn't hard to do...

On top of this, the Murci and Gallardo's chassis and suspensions are far superior to the Diablo's. Audi did a kick a$$ job in designing the new Lambo's.

Brad
i still dont care what you say on how much i have to work i still want the 3 dream diablos: 98' roadster, 98' sv, and 01' 6.0, and besides em i want a murcielago coupe and convertable, also a gallardo...i know im picky but those are what i want, and i dont know im not that big of a fan of a viper, i dont know why well i am a fan of em but not a big of a fan as those lamborghinis cause there my drema its not liek im going to race em like on a drag strip...

and i doubt there would be a viper coming up to me on the side wanting to race, i like never see em, i have seen a murcielago, gallardo , and 360 ferrari once on the highway here, but thats all and 3 vipers, i still am desperate to first buy a crashed viper b4 a lambo... i can find a couple gts's around $20k and around year 2000

D-man:

It's always good to dream and set high goals for yourself. Diablo's are beautiful cars, but because I drive my cars frequently it wouldn't be practical.

Keep going after those dreams, take a few risks and sacrifice those un-needed trappings and you'll have one of those Diablos before you know it.

Brad

what about after i make my camaro around 500-550 hp then should i go on and try to get a crashed viper around the year 2000 model for around 20k? is that a good idea or should i just get a crashed vette/z06?

I wouldn't buy any of them until you got some formal road course experience in a good performance driving school. These carsare completely different from your Camaro. They are in their element when pulling high-G's through the turns. If you want to drag race these cars, save your money and stay with the Camaro.

JMO.

Brad

no i wont drag race it, i will just drive it like a regular car like you do, and maybe speed a little on the highway :) , is that still a bad idea?

It's a waste of a car if all you do is drve it on the street. This beast is really in its element on a road racing course. If you love the car by just driving it on the street, then you will bow down and kiss the feet of the designers when you do a track day.

I've done over 30 track days in the 7 years.

It's a waste of a car if all you do is drve it on the street. This beast is really in its element on a road racing course. If you love the car by just driving it on the street, then you will bow down and kiss the feet of the designers when you do a track day.

I've done over 30 track days in the 7 years.
i would go to the track once in a while once i am good enough for it, but not really put it on the drag strip, i dont really wanna abuse it that bad...

i would go to the track once in a while once i am good enough for it, but not really put it on the drag strip, i dont really wanna abuse it that bad...

No offense Diablo, but your thought process is a little messed up. You'll never get good enough driving a Viper UNLESS you go to track school. The bozo's who only drive them on the street rarely lack the knowledge or talent to drive them on the track because of their falsely inflated ego's.

Abuse is relative Diablo. Driving a car in stop and go traffic is sometimes more abusive to a high performance car than tracking it. Vipers were made to be run on the track and just get by as a street car. These cars can take lots of beating. Don't be fooled into thinking that just because the Vipers can run and abuse the high strung and delicate Italian exotics, that they are also as delicate. I have spoken to several engineers on Team Viper and these engines are bullet proof.

JMO... fire away!

Brad

k ill see what comes out of it, but isnt track school like 2k a day!?

k ill see what comes out of it, but isnt track school like 2k a day!?

It depends on where you go for it. I have a couple friedns who are pro drivers that can give a private lesson for a day and it would be quite a bit less than what you are stating. Come on out to CA and I can set you up.

Whatever the price it is well worth it and will outperform any mod that you can think of.

It depends on where you go for it. I have a couple friedns who are pro drivers that can give a private lesson for a day and it would be quite a bit less than what you are stating. Come on out to CA and I can set you up.

Whatever the price it is well worth it and will outperform any mod that you can think of.
lol ok if i get a viper anytime soon ill try to get shipped over to ca for a while and we can see what will happen

lol ok if i get a viper anytime soon ill try to get shipped over to ca for a while and we can see what will happen

If one of them is running Viper Days in your neighborhood, maybe he can come in a day early and do a session with you. Just a thought when you get your Snake...

If one of them is running Viper Days in your neighborhood, maybe he can come in a day early and do a session with you. Just a thought when you get your Snake...
one of who? do you know of any viper days in massachusetts?

p.s. how fast can i get a hot chick when im in a viper?

Well, this thread is just a bit depressing. I just read through roughly six pages of Dodge Viper owners who clearly are the incarnate of my dream - to be one myself. I'm thorougly convinced, now, that the Dodge Viper is everything that I had hoped it would be, despite the criticism from some magazines and other "car enthusiasts."

Unfortunately, I don't see myself being the owner of said dream car anytime soon. In the middle of college and making $6 an hour in Gainesville, FL. Oh yeah, gold pockets, you know it. And even when I am finished with college, I still have absolutely no idea "what I want to be when I grow up." Thus the struggle between desire, preference, and reality kicks me in the face.

We all want to make good money, but we also want to be happy. It's not easy finding both of those in the equation known as "career." Blah.

But, anyways, I had the opportunity to go for a ride in a Dodge Viper GTS a few weeks back. Beautiful red with white racing stripes, I have never felt such power in my life. That ride blew away all doubts that I had - these cars are fast as hell, they can brake to a stop in an instant, and they hug turns like nobody's business. Oh, and every single freaking head turns to watch as they go by... SIGH!

Well, this thread is just a bit depressing. I just read through roughly six pages of Dodge Viper owners who clearly are the incarnate of my dream - to be one myself. I'm thorougly convinced, now, that the Dodge Viper is everything that I had hoped it would be, despite the criticism from some magazines and other "car enthusiasts."

Unfortunately, I don't see myself being the owner of said dream car anytime soon. In the middle of college and making $6 an hour in Gainesville, FL. Oh yeah, gold pockets, you know it. And even when I am finished with college, I still have absolutely no idea "what I want to be when I grow up." Thus the struggle between desire, preference, and reality kicks me in the face.

We all want to make good money, but we also want to be happy. It's not easy finding both of those in the equation known as "career." Blah.

But, anyways, I had the opportunity to go for a ride in a Dodge Viper GTS a few weeks back. Beautiful red with white racing stripes, I have never felt such power in my life. That ride blew away all doubts that I had - these cars are fast as hell, they can brake to a stop in an instant, and they hug turns like nobody's business. Oh, and every single freaking head turns to watch as they go by... SIGH!
well at least your lucky about something :) what year was the gts, and who let you ride theirs?

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Dodge vipers are awesome cars dont get me wrong, but i think they are a little pricey compared to say a corvette or say a hopped up camaro. For teh price of a viper you could stroke a new Ls-1 in either of teh two named cars above and easily get 600+hp and still have money to blow on the suspension, tranny, and rearend. I have only driven 1 viper in my time, that being a 98 gts. The owner (brother) of course only let me get it to about 160mph, fast as hell, put me in the back seat all the way to 160mph. BUT my 02 stroked ls-1 camaro is running high 10s in teh quarter, remains streetable and i still get 22mpg. Granted the handling isnt as good as the viper but i havent spent any money on it. In total i think i have about 33g in my 02 camaro and thats including buying it used. bang vs buck i think the viper is a bit pricey, BUT if you have the money to blwo get one the potential power for the car is enormous ie the stryker pkg. But when your a normal joe shmoe with no dough, its a little unreasnoable specially not when you can pick up a used ls-1 vette or camaro for a 1/4 of the cost dump 15g into it and hang with a stock or semi stock viper. WELP anyhow i gotta get outta here saw the thread thought id respond, take it easy fellas

camaros can be fast, im about to put 3.5k into mine and it should have 550hp+ and 600torque+ on my 95' lt1, i dont really liek my 99' ls1 both z28's are fast, but i still like my 95 better i wanna sell my 99' but i dunno who to, i wanna sell it for $10-10.5k

camaros can be fast, im about to put 3.5k into mine and it should have 550hp+ and 600torque+ on my 95' lt1, i dont really liek my 99' ls1 both z28's are fast, but i still like my 95 better i wanna sell my 99' but i dunno who to, i wanna sell it for $10-10.5k--------DIABLOGT

Hey is me again, what are you doing to the lt-1 for 3.5k thatl have that much hp and torque. It cant be stock now cuz they only had about 280-300hp stock in 95 if that. and 3grand will get you alot of bolt on mods for top end, nothing major like a set for the cam and heads together. Why not teh ls1?? i love mine, cept for the damn ta;pping it had when i first got it, but ALL new GM motors do that. Faulty O-ring or oil pump to thank for that, shitty design for the oil pick up i think but that can be remedied easily. My 02 ss dynoed at around 315hp at teh rear wheels i think and around 360ftlbs of torque. Not bad for a stock motor, best run at teh local 1/8th mile track i got stock was an 8.64 et and 80 some odd mph, which translates into roughly 13.4's. Of course like any red blooded american car buff i decided tha wasnt fast enough so got the hypertech programmer and demon street comp chip, SLP long tube headers with electronic exhuast cut offs in front of cats. i ripped off the H-pipe and put straight 3inch borlas all teh way out. SLP mass air flow sensor LSX intake SLP whisper lid, transitional bellows, and lastly i sprung for a LS-6 head and cam pakage installed alll that myself in teh garage..took a couple of weeks cuz i wasnt familiar with the use of a compute rto tune it teh way i wanted. i used my hand held dyno and i thik afte all that i was pushing around 550hp and like 610ftlbs, of course thast not an accurate numbesr but its close. i ran it again at teh local track and got into mid 7s in the 1/8th (had traction and tranny probs after that). After that i took it too SLP in deleware and got them to stroke it to 427 cid, put a new thermo in it, fan control switch and had them rebuild the tranny and put in a diff rear with 3.55s. NOW they calim over 680hp and close to 700ft lbs but i think its closer to around 650hp and maybe 680ft lbs.....and thats what i run 10s with all in all i got about 34g into the car pretty cheap when you think about it. next project is a paxton super charger, hoping to get into teh 8-900hp range and remain on pump gas and id like to see mid 9s or lower.

im gonna gtry adn get a pic of my 02 on here with my post so ya can see it diablo, check back ill try adn get it next time i post. As far as selling the 99 sell it fora bout 12grand go down from there.

im changing heads/cams, rockers, headers, mass air flow sensor, CAI, and some other nice stuff that will get me to it

p.s. it is still stock

VIPER_10:
how fast can i get a hot chick when im in a viper?

im gonna gtry adn get a pic of my 02 on here with my post so ya can see it diablo, check back ill try adn get it next time i post. As far as selling the 99 sell it fora bout 12grand go down from there.
bad thing is that it has a rebuilt title, but i will make a new paint job on it soon, what do you think will sell better, that bright red color or bright orange color?

And the opener thread said he's seen civics and neons beat vipers, ok, lets' put that hotted up CIVIC against hennesy's viper, when the civic get shat all over, we'll laugh then.

im assuming theres probably people in here who dont like ford... davo... but yeah the 06/07 mustang cobra will come with a IRS or solid axle option and 465 hp 495 tq stock, u can reposition the underdrive pulley on the S/C to get over 500 hp without a lot of trouble, only costs in the mid to low 30k range

I had the good fortune to meet Brad last summer during a trip to LA, without a moments hesitation he offered my a drive in Viper10. I am a Vette guy and had never driven a Viper before but have driven and been in plenty of other "exotics" before including C5's 911's and so on.

What I can tell you is the Viper is an awesome car to drive. First impressions were that all the controls just seemed right, the car had plenty of grunt and was not in the least bit scary to drive, it felt surefooted and at no time did I feel that it was going to bite me.

Nice car and if I had the cash there would be a place in my garage for one. Maybe some of the commentators here should actually have a drive in one instead of picking up on urban myths :lol: Every car has it's own merits and as usual a lot of stories to go with them.

Cheers Brad

J.

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A man who buys a viper is one of two people. A person who knows that the viper is a car that is ment to be pushed to the limit of what it can do, or B, a man who thinks that by buying a Viper you're the biggest baddass on the street and no one can take you.

A man who buys a viper is one of two people. A person who knows that the viper is a car that is ment to be pushed to the limit of what it can do, or B, a man who thinks that by buying a Viper you're the biggest baddass on the street and no one can take you.

Or a person who is looking for respect and finds themselves turning into a dyno jockey or a poser who can't drive the car for squat. Most Viper owner fall into these categories and haven't a clue how to drive these cars.

That is why more than 45% of all Vipers produced have been totaled...

How are you doing John? I hope that all is well with you. Are you coming out for a visit to the Left Coast any time soon? If so, drop me a line and let's get together. You can come and visit my new business (that we are opening next week).

Cheers,

Brad

i'm probly gonna piss some people off by saying this...but why would you buy a viper? when you see one drive by all you think is that its an old rich guy that doesn't know poop about cars. you can easily buy a car and make it faster than a viper for half the cost. i've seen supras, rx7's, civics, hell even neons beat vipers. i know this isn't taking into account some of the stuff you can do to vipers but most of that work costs a hell of a lot and gets to be illegal. also, i personally think vipers look tacky, their engines are ridiculously oversized and i know they are uncomfortable to drive.


Are you friggin insane? to put an Rx7 or, God forbid, A Civic or Neon(?) in the same sentence as a Viper is like comparing a Fresh bloody dog turd to a Filet Mignon steak. short of putting in a jet engine into a Civic or Neon , there is NOTHING you can do to even put the two in the same league power or performancewise. theres a reason why the Viper is $85k and the Neon is $15k numbnuts

I agree with whompus. Even if you could modifiy a Civic or RX-7 to beat a Viper, it doesn't look as good as a Viper. The Viper is one of the best looking cars ever produced and hauls ass like no other car on the street. Also, if you modifiy a stock car to race against a Viper, your making a car that is not production based. In other words, any car can be modified to beat another, but many stock cars can't touch a Viper. It still doesnt change the fact that i'm driving a Viper and your driving a Civic. And even if you modifiy a Civic to beat my stock Viper, you wouldn't stand a chance in hell when I get a Hennessey 1000TT upgrade.

Viper_10, i'm glad there are a few people on this forum who know what they're taking about. Your absolutley right when you say a Viper requires more skill to drive than a regular car, from what i've heard from a viper owner in my town the Viper was designed to be a drivers car, and i'm glad you don't garage your Viper. Vipers are ment to be driven, not to sit and collect dust. If I ever get to own one, i'm going to drive the wheels off of it.

I agree that the viper is a drivers car as well, despite the relevance to this thread this bit of info might also be useful for thinking why viper. Everyone has hopefully heard of the GT class racing, which mostly everyone with mopar blood recognizes that vipers once first debued have won on a very consistant basis. Up until the newer vipers release, or the new bodystyle i think its quite amazing that the GT version not the gts, or gtsr but the GT CUP viper can be purchased directly from chrysler. it comes completely tuned and ready to go which is quite impressive. This might not make any sence to anyone but that does sorta paint a pretty vivid picture that chrysler is not messing around, it is true mopar heritage and is a true drivers car.
I believe this is the car, it was a few years ago that i rem all this when C&D did a bit on the gt class racing league.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2003-Dodge-Viper-Competition-Coupe.htm

Vipers are cool and you do need experience to drive one because of all the power. i wish i could have a Viper

I'll put it simpily-
"If you have to ask, you'll never know."

WHY VIPER WELL BECOUSE Click on LInk and See http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=60EB213C-A031-4EA5-89F4-D88841E6D4F7

Thats Why Viper !

WHY VIPER WELL BECOUSE Click on LInk and See http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=60EB213C-A031-4EA5-89F4-D88841E6D4F7

Thats Why Viper !


That was badass, thanks for that!

But keep inmind, eventhough the skyline was prob moded heavily, the stock viper (although has a much larger engine, no shit!) humiliated it.


Proof that skylines "arn't the shit"

i've had fast civics, integras, was even lucky to own skyline gtr for a year.......now i drive my blue GTS viper....every day.....and i will keep this on..that's why.
rest of them are 'normal' cars for average people to enjoy....viper is for someone who can drive...but the skill is needed...and a lot of respect for the beast...it's like no other.
if u can test drive one- do it...then you'll understand.
if you've never driven one...you DNS...

The Viper is an incredibly well balanced car.

I found it remarkably easy to drive, Actually, it felt like you are driving slow, until you either look at the speedo or you catch up with another car.
but it does command a high degree of respect with the power that it has available.
Having done a little track time... The Viper has an extremely flat torque curve which gives it an incredible advantage in the corners. With a more peaky engine, like the 911 turbo, it can sometimes be difficult to hit the corner and have the engine in the right power band.

Good looking, well balanced, powerful car, whats not to like.

vipers are contributing to the destruction of our planet. global warming is real, and our future is looking real grim. and it might already be too late...

enjoy your viper, you might need it to cool off once temperatures start hitting 130 degrees

vipers are contributing to the destruction of our planet. global warming is real, and our future is looking real grim. and it might already be too late...

enjoy your viper, you might need it to cool off once temperatures start hitting 130 degrees

There are significantly more Civics on the road than Vipers, They are also contributing to global warming. And with more of them... get off your soapbox.

all i know is they catch my eye like nothing else on the road.

i almost wish i had one, id almost be to scarred to take it out the way some people around here drive or let it sit while i run in to a store or something.

as far as their power goes i think its just silly that some people have no respect for it. in my opinion i think 1,000-2,000hp is yet the tip of the iceberg for a viper.

yes, there are far more civics on the road, but they contribute to the destruction of the atmosphere far far less than a viper does. i didnt say stop driving, i said its better to drive an economy car than get your power kick.

well i loved the viper when i was a kid, i have a bunch of models of them, and they still look as though they just came off the drawing board. ive only gotten to sit in one but it was comfortable. as for making another car as fast as a viper...so what. the viper is still engineered for performance. a civic chassis is not designed for speed or extreme handling. bad weight split, etc. as has been stated numerously, put those two on a track and it would be difficult to find a "built-up" car that could really compete with a viper. it is essentially a streetable race car, slightly detuned. add a few upgrades to it and it is one of the most awesome cars.

vipers rule they are more expensive versions of ricers with greater power potential, they are also very competent Track cars, however it takes alot more skill on the drivers part to be able to handle the power you can create out of these monsters

I can't believe some of you guys compare Hondas to Vipers.... LOL! Sure you can make any car fast. I see friggin station wagons at the drag strip running 12's. A Viper is a production supercar and should be respected as one. Just because your little POS civic runs 12's doesn't mean it's a better car than the Viper. LOL! you kids....

i think what gets me about the viper is that most people would rather take the vette, that's the point. a viper is made so that you almost don't want to buy it. it is hardcore, unforgiving, kick in the gut power (they were reluctant to put an AC in it, and it didn't come with glass windows at first). and the viper doesn't even need traction control to feel like a race car. yes the vette is more technologicaly advanced, yes it is faster (with the help of TC), yes it is more livable and comfortable, but all that is because they sell so many=more research funds='better car'=they sell more...the viper has is and will (hopefully) remain the car that vette owners love to hate. a true drivers car. anyone who owns a viper and truly drives it knows that there are better daily drivers out there, that there are better track cars and race cars and straight line cars out there, but they also know that they all have traction control and all the other bells and whistles, and that the people who own them and drive them every day wouldn't last 20 minutes in a viper on a track. a viper is one of those thigns that if you don't get it, we can't explain it to you.

I just started working at a Dodge dealership with a Master Viper Technician as my mentor so thought I would poke my head in the Dodge forum...

I was(and guess still am) a Chevy guy at heart and thought that the new Z06 is way better to get since it's half as much and performs right on par with it.

Then today I worked on my first Viper with my mentor(turns out the owner bought a new gas cap and it wasn't sealing right setting the EVAP system codes... but anyways), and it is the most beautiful car I've ever seen. The lines and curves are bold yet smooth, it looks muscular, and has a hell of an exhaust note:naughty: It was a 98 GTS in silver w/ a grey stripe btw. The car is simply amazing in just about every way.

There is a certain magic around the car that evokes unexplainable feelings from within.

This is definitely my dream car now:iceslolan

You guys saying that you can modify anything to be faster are just ignorant.

You can take a picture of an ugly girl and mess with it in photoshop to make it look good, but that doesn't change her :uhoh: -ness

The Viper is probably one of the nicer/rarer American sportscars with a long legacy than nothing else can touch. It is one of the only cars that still keep the driver in direct contact with the response of the car(none of this traction control/ABS bullshit). This is a car that you only real skilled people can handle. You don't have electronics to band-aid stupidity.

Not to mention you'd get mad ass in a dope ride like this!:smokin: :evillol: