Road-converted GTR's

Have any of the road-converted GTR's been converted to three-seater format as opposed to passenger to the driver's left and humungeous fuse/breaker board to the driver's right?

I don't believe so - at least not from any evidence I have seen.

Always happy to be proved wrong though, as that (usually) means I learn something in the process. :smile:

>8^)
ER

It would mean removing this bank of switches below..... - I'm with Erik, I don't think any have been converted to a 3 seater.
http://img203.imagevenue.com/loc3/th_40666_7_122_3lo.JPG (http://img203.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=40666_7_122_3lo.JPG)
I know of at least 2 longtail GTR's converted to 2 seaters, maybe more, let me have a look in my files

Erik, is there any coherrent technical reason why this wouldn't be possible?

It seems strange that a few have been converted to road use, the ex-Larry Kinch 07R, Nick Mason's (012R?), the ex-Ray Bellm's, etc., whilst retaining the fugly fuse panel on the right hand side and one passenger possibility.

Erik, is there any coherrent technical reason why this wouldn't be possible?

It seems strange that a few have been converted to road use, the ex-Larry Kinch 07R, Nick Mason's (012R?), the ex-Ray Bellm's, etc., whilst retaining the fugly fuse panel on the right hand side and one passenger possibility.
#10R for Nick Masons :)

I'd imagine it's either a cost issue (although Mason, Kinch, Bellm / Hsu etc could probably afford it :)) or like you say, a technical reason. Perhaps there are too may switches to relocate so it would mean redesigning the dash / adding an extra range of dials a la the LM's.

I suppose, if you have the money and want uniqueness and 2 more people to share the ear bleeds from the noise then converting a GTR to a 3 seater can be possible, at a price

I really don't know what the technical limitations are. I think you would have to ask someone more closely connected to the McLaren Customer Care group to get a proper explanation.

One would imagine that certainly some of the F1 GTR owners might have wanted that extra seat and that through the process of road conversions McLaren would have found a way to accommodate that request if they could. That's my take on it anyway.

>8^)
ER

Here is a papaya GTR, going round Paul Ricard.

With left seat passenger camera man!! Something about to many elecy bits to sit on the right.:cwm27:

http://www.blinkx.com/video/mclaren-f1-gtr-p-paul-ricard/nFvazaw6Sl3l_rqUsQqVzQ

Enjoy the ride.

#11r?

#11r?

Come on Greg, you should know your GTR,s by sight now.

Check McLarens web site out. look closely at the four LM pics (gallery). Oh dear, ones a GTR at Paul Ricard. Trouble is all papaya GTR,S look much the same, its the details that count. Mind you, I have been wrong about 15R for along time, now that 14R has surfaced. :banghead:

It seems that the ones that were converted to carry at least one passenger had moved a lot of the electronic "black boxes" over to the driver side right. And they had fire suppressions systems located there.

Ala 06R:
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm249/archangelgtr/goodwood2007102eq8.jpg

Mind you, I have been wrong about 15R for along time, now that 14R has surfaced. :banghead:

Hey, that reminds me - I need to change my 'M66 MCL' folder name. Thanks! :grinyes:

...and at least you were right about the fact that it still exists. I was pretty convinced for a long time that it was gone. Maybe McLaren used it for the new book to finally prove me wrong? :cwm27:

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ER

Hey, that reminds me - I need to change my 'M66 MCL' folder name. Thanks! :grinyes:

...and at least you were right about the fact that it still exists. I was pretty convinced for a long time that it was gone. Maybe McLaren used it for the new book to finally prove me wrong? :cwm27:

>8^)
ER

The last known info, I had on 15R. Was that Lyndsey Owen Jones still owned it and was kept in Paris. But this could have changed, sold and repainted papaya and seen in the UK for some time now.

Did i miss something? I've had M66 MCL as 014R for a while

Yes - go and take look in this thread paying specific attention to the GTR that was used to represent the 1996 version:

Mclaren - The Cars 1964-2008 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=910868)

>8^)
ER

Come on Greg, you should know your GTR,s by sight now.

Check McLarens web site out. look closely at the four LM pics (gallery). Oh dear, ones a GTR at Paul Ricard. Trouble is all papaya GTR,S look much the same, its the details that count.

Now that I have been able to see the vid, I think Greg was spot on. If you compare the steering wheel in this vid with a photo of the one in #11R, you'll find they are identical: recessed GTR-logo center cap, yellow "Personal" logo on bottom spoke, and two raised buttons at the edges of the other two spokes of the wheel. Those are pretty much the best identifying clues that I could see from that shaky footage.

Comparing it with the wheel in #16R for instance, you can see it is quite different.

#11R: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/th_McLoraint.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/McLoraint.jpg) - #16R: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/th_P8273179.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/P8273179.jpg)

Not much detail is available of the exterior of the GTR from the video, however we can be certain it's a 1996 GTR based on the placement of the windscreen wiper. Taking into account the image that Le Man referred to on the McLaren Automotive website seals the deal on #11R as it is the only Papaya Orange GTR I know of that wears the roof scoop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/DSCN0073.jpg

Anyway -great video! It was excellent to see someone pushing the car hard like that. :cool:

>8^)
ER

I have just had an email from one of my contacts 'close' to an F1 :worshippy who states

"No GTR owner with half a brain is going to make the conversion. First, it would be very expensive. Second, and more important, it would devalue the car. You're never going to turn a GTR into a proper F1 road car, but by performing major surgery to the wiring loom, switches, etc, you would ruin its identity as a racing car. Result - a camel.

A GTR is not a car in which to take a cruise. The gearbox is almost unbearably noisy. As you know, the LM's came with ear defenders as standard equipment. The GTR is a car for taking a quick blast. That could be for twenty minutes or, maybe, two hours, but not for half a day. With such a narrow window of applications, there is almost never a need for greater passenger capacity."

Why spend less on a GTR then chuck money at it to make it as passenger friendly as a road car (combined cost will probably cost more than buying a road car anyway :screwy:) but then coming to resale value it'll be worth less :headshake

I have just had an email from one of my contacts 'close' to an F1 :worshippy who states

"No GTR owner with half a brain is going to make the conversion. First, it would be very expensive. Second, and more important, it would devalue the car. You're never going to turn a GTR into a proper F1 road car, but by performing major surgery to the wiring loom, switches, etc, you would ruin its identity as a racing car. Result - a camel.

A GTR is not a car in which to take a cruise. The gearbox is almost unbearably noisy. As you know, the LM's came with ear defenders as standard equipment. The GTR is a car for taking a quick blast. That could be for twenty minutes or, maybe, two hours, but not for half a day. With such a narrow window of applications, there is almost never a need for greater passenger capacity."

Why spend less on a GTR then chuck money at it to make it as passenger friendly as a road car (combined cost will probably cost more than buying a road car anyway :screwy:) but then coming to resale value it'll be worth less :headshake


Thanks! :)