hung with a cobra

i was driving down shorter avenue friday night. this newer stang cobra keeps running around me changing lanes and revving and shit. well guess what happens? red light changes to red, look beside me, there he is........ fuck i think, fuck fuck fuck........ we see the opposing lights turn yellow.....then red....then BOOM the green arrow comes on our side and we almost run all over the fucking intersection......green arrow turns yellow, then goes away, then the light turns green.......i got a shitty take off which put my front bumper about in the middle of his door, and guess what, it stayed that way through the whole race, had i gotten a better take off, i would have taken him........after the race he rolls his window down and screams "GODDAMN WHAT THE FUCK YOU GOT UNDER THE HOOD OF THAT THING" and THAT is what made my day

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
i was driving down shorter avenue friday night. this newer stang cobra keeps running around me changing lanes and revving and shit. well guess what happens? red light changes to red, look beside me, there he is........ fuck i think, fuck fuck fuck........ we see the opposing lights turn yellow.....then red....then BOOM the green arrow comes on our side and we almost run all over the fucking intersection......green arrow turns yellow, then goes away, then the light turns green.......i got a shitty take off which put my front bumper about in the middle of his door, and guess what, it stayed that way through the whole race, had i gotten a better take off, i would have taken him........after the race he rolls his window down and screams "GODDAMN WHAT THE FUCK YOU GOT UNDER THE HOOD OF THAT THING" and THAT is what made my day

Sure you beat a 385 horsepower monster. And if what's under the hood doesn't mean anything, you wouldn't have put in a supercharger under your hood. A civic couldn't beat a V6 mustang if it tried.

i dont recall asking for smart ass opinions, and why would i care if you believe me or not? ha

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
i dont recall asking for smart ass opinions, and why would i care if you believe me or not? ha

Hey, fantasizing is alright, just keep it in your head.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Sure you beat a 385 horsepower monster. And if what's under the hood doesn't mean anything, you wouldn't have put in a supercharger under your hood. A civic couldn't beat a V6 mustang if it tried.

When he said "newer", it didn't necessarily mean the "new" Cobras. They did have the 2001 Cobras too, you know, with "only" 320HP. A properly tuned Civic with the JRSC his sig says he has can hang...as long as it's driven right...

Oh, and go here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t87094.html) to read about my encounter with a V6 Camaro:rolleyes:.

Sweet race, nice to hang with the big V8s. Nothing like the look of surpirse on people's face when you keep up with or beat them. :)

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


When he said "newer", it didn't necessarily mean the "new" Cobras. They did have the 2001 Cobras too, you know, with "only" 320HP. A properly tuned Civic with the JRSC his sig says he has can hang...as long as it's driven right...

Oh, and go here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t87094.html) to read about my encounter with a V6 Camaro:rolleyes:.

Carnutt- I would have more faith in a civic that looked like yours, obviously you know alot about cars. I just have trouble believing this story. He said it doesn't matter what's under the hood at all COME ON!

i never said it didn't matter what i had under the hood or what he had under the hood, what i did say is that he asked me what i had under the hood because i suppose he's never had a 4banger hold up with him.....but since you can read you already know that

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
i never said it didn't matter what i had under the hood or what he had under the hood, what i did say is that he asked me what i had under the hood because i suppose he's never had a 4banger hold up with him.....but since you can read you already know that

Ok, then good kill

Im sorry, but if it was a real cobra AND he did not screw up launching and shifts, he would have pulled way past you. With your mod list your probably running, what like a low 15 high 14? The 99 or 01 cobra usually run in the low-mid 13s. What made you think it was a cobra?

three things made me think it was a cobra
1.) The different looking front bumper
2.) The little cobra on the SIDE of the car
3.) The word COBRA on the back bumper


as a matter of fact looked just like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2402650010&category=6236

Well if it was a cobra, then the things you listed make it a 01 or 03 cobra, thats if it was in the new edge body style. Still have my doubts, its fairly comon for v6 and GT mustangs to add cobra body items to their vehicles.

Why is it that the flaming always starts when people start any thread with a domestic in it. Some ignorant people think that V8s are unbeatable or something. Shit I have beat many V8 mustangs and have been beaten probably just as many times. There are some fast domestics that post on this board and there are just as many imports that would put up a fight. You all should come down south here. Believe it or not most people around here with all kinds of cars are pretty cool with each other. A buddy of mine drives a Camaro SS (I think its a 99) that is built to hell, runs a 100 shot and a sc at 12psi. He runs a 10.65 daily driven, and guess what he hangs out with all us import people although we all know that he would beat the snot out of us. I myself run consistently high 13's low 14's also at 12psi (which really isn't too great but my car is still in need of some work) .

Keep in mind that the Cobra weighs, what, 3700 pounds. That Civic is probably 1000 less than the cobra. With that list of mods it is very much possible for him to hang with him.

Don't EVER count out a four banger with forced induction.

yo maxspeed, i've been thinking about building the internals, i haven't heard alot about hp increases, but i'm really worried about wearing my car out, i drive it about 40 miles everyday to and from work, i think it's got 83000 hard miles on it

Im not flaming, or saying a v8 cant be beat by a 4cyl. Why is it every import driver thinks that is the mentality of domestic V8 drivers? Why dont you post some times robodeath? Just looking at your mod list I dont think you would have run with a cobra unless he fumbled. Post some times and I will admit I was wrong.

Building up the internals would be the smart thing to do. I ran a 75 shot on a b16a motor and ended up melting and piston. I know quite a few people that have overboosted and messed their shit up. Fortunatley you dont have to worry bout that too much with the sc. You arent really going to see any hp increase, but you will have the ease of mind to be able to get on the car hard without always worrying. And to svt5.0, I didnt mean you were flaming people, it was a general statement and not all of you have that outlook, but it pisses me off when people get on here and have nothing better to do than start shit. And I have seen newer cobras run stock and they are quick. Anyhow I've seen you post all around and I respect that cause you always seem to know your shit.

Sorry, im gona have to agree with SVT. It's just when you are talking about Cobras and Camaros, you are talking about a different league of cars. I like imports, they are somewhat quick, and easy to maintain. But whether or not you want to believe it, the Cobras and Camaros are gona kick but, why... Cause their built to kick butt. It's just when you try to say that a civic, reguardless of it's mods, it just doesn't place in the same league. And for the person who said about the weight... just look at the power to weight ratio's and im pretty sure the Cobra would have a higher number. I don't think any flaming was coming out of his post, he as well as i were just stating our opinions. Whether or not you agree is based on yours.

Dude, I'm not flaming either man, but I find inconsistencies as well with the story. I don't doubt that you won, I doubt what the other car actually was. This day in age, it's not uncommon at all for any driver to make the exterior of a car what it's not. That said. I cannot beat an 03 Cobra. I've raced a turbo'd CRX and won with my SS (how do I know we were racing? we made eye contact and both took off). The numbers just don't match up. Do not think I'm biased, my brother has an Si that he's beaten GT's with, I've ridden with him when he's done it.

Also, if I was an 03 Cobra owner, I think my reaction would have been much more drastic than "what do you have under the hood". That's just my intuition, but I'd be pissed when then I just bought the best/cheapest hot rod in town got beat by anything...

I don't have a problem believing the story. Pontiac, svt, blackcamaro...What you're stating are all OPINIONS about what you think happened. What he is stating is a FACT about what happened, since he was there and none of the rest of us were. Unless of course the race never happened and he is just lying. But being on a webboard you have to be willing to trust that people won't do that. I generally don't tell people they are lying or mistaken UNLESS, what they're posting is waaaaaayyyy on the unbelievable side. This is definitely believable. I've seen a supercharged SI run as low as a high 13. Alternatively I've seen them run low 15s(with probs) so I mean anything is possible. Also don't forget that all cars of the same make/model don't come out of the factory the same. I've seen LT1 Z28s dyno at 220rwhp, I've also seen them dyno as high as 292rwhp in one case. They're called Factory Freaks. His car could have been one, so could the Cobra. I think it was probably a lucky kill, but I think it's definitely believable. Good work man:)

That's all fine, and I told him that I don't doubt that he won. Our opinions are all based on our experiences. I was stating mine so that it could be weighed against the others posted for a full picture of what could have happened. It's up to each member to believe what they want, but they have a right to be well informed. That's what these boards do, and why we all keep coming back. I know I learn more stuff everyday:D

nice...one way or another...nice race. my brother w/ his b16a JRSC ran high 13's w/ a shitty set-up, so its not unbelievable at all. u should build ur internals more tho, jus cuz' it'd be nice to actually drive it everyday, an run it hard w/ out having to worry bout it goin ::BOOM::

I didn't even think there was enough room in the engine compartment of a civic to fit a supercharger. Kinda crampy looking in there.

its a really tyte fit, an my bro had to "make" a lil room for it. not much, but it wouldn't fit straight in his h/b.

There shouldn't be any interference problems with the JRSC even in a 4th gen Civic. The only cars that MIGHT have an interference problem is a 3rd gen...and even then, I don't think they have issues on the firewall side.

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
red light changes to red
I hate when red lights change to red! :D


then the light turns green.......i got a shitty take off which put my front bumper about in the middle of his door, and guess what, it stayed that way through the whole race, had i gotten a better take off, i would have taken him........after the race he rolls his window down and screams "GODDAMN WHAT THE FUCK YOU GOT UNDER THE HOOD OF THAT THING" and THAT is what made my day

Uh hate to burst your fun guys, But he didnt win the race. He only kept up... so stop saying he won hahaha... Just read his post again.

Now, if it was an '03 Cobra I find it really hard he could do as well as he did. I could be wrong, but just look at this list of Mods.

1998 Honda Civic EX -- Si Wing -- Jackson Racing Supercharger -- High Flow Fuel Rail -- Enkei RP07 18inch Rims -- Yokohama PARADA 215/35ZR/18's -- K&N Filter -- Hurst ShortShifter -- DC Sport Header -- Greddy Cat-Back Exhaust -- DC Strut Tie Bar -- Altezza Tail Lights -- Xenon Headlight Bulbs -- Racing R Rear Emblem -- Front Grill -- Eibach Springs with Ground Control Coil Overs -- Panasonic DF88 CD Player -- Sony Xplod 800W Amp -- SPL Series II 1200W Amp

We've got a Supercharger, Some Fuel System work, K&N, a Header, Exhaust... all on a Stock Civic EX Motor... he lists nothing of internal work. I for one think if he's running enough boost on a Supercharger on a near stock motor to keep up with a Cobra... his motor cant be doing too well.

Not to mention all the stereo equipment, and the over sized rims, and the Racing R rear Emblem aren't helping him out.

Now by no means am I flaming, or trying to start anything just pointing out what I think are the flaws. If i'm wrong then oh well i'm wrong. If he really did hang then more power to him.

do you have any times for your civic or any pics of the car?

You would think if he spent all that money on a Super Charger, he would at least take it to the track to see what it runs.....

I've seen some heavily modded civics and integras run 12's before at the track (which is what the cobra runs) but i dont think that just a supercharger with some fuel mods puts you in that league.

Maybe the mustang wasn't racing you ;)

Originally posted by jamilrahman
do you have any times for your civic or any pics of the car?

You would think if he spent all that money on a Super Charger, he would at least take it to the track to see what it runs.....

I've seen some heavily modded civics and integras run 12's before at the track (which is what the cobra runs) but i dont think that just a supercharger with some fuel mods puts you in that league.

Maybe the mustang wasn't racing you ;)

The Mustang was racing. He kept up. It WAS NOT A 2003 COBRA! I think we all pretty much agree on it. So it wasn't running anywhere NEAR a 12 second quarter. Closer to a 14 than anything else:rolleyes:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t84749.html

never taken it to the dyno or track, i dont even know of any local tracks to go to anyways

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Sure you beat a 385 horsepower monster. And if what's under the hood doesn't mean anything, you wouldn't have put in a supercharger under your hood. A civic couldn't beat a V6 mustang if it tried.


i beg to differ. ive never lost to a 6 cylinder mustang, and as my brother told you earlier, <scroll up>, i can and have walked 5.0 GTs:D

It's not unbelievable that he KEPT UP, not won, but kept up with the Cobra, at the track i've never seen one of the newer ones run better than 14 sec I usually see them run low 14's. Also if he was racing a newer Cobra, not a 2003, it is a good possibility that he would have been able to keep up because Ford recalled most of their newer Cobras I think it was the 2001 or 2000 Cobras that were recalled because they weren't producing the power that Ford had claimed, the heads, manifold, and exhausts were too restrictive. Ford had to recall them, now I don't know if he had that year that was recalled, but you never know.

i bet if i had posted that i hung with him in my 71 cutlass it wouldn't be so damn hard to believe. i'm not being a smartass but i personally didn't post this here to see if anyone believed me or not.

I find it disturbing that whenever an import is said to have beaten or stayed close to any V8 powered domestic, that a lot of people instantly try to discount or discredit the story. While I agree, there are several instances where the post is a load of bull, that doesn't make it right to jump down everyone's throat who makes such a post. It could have been a GT with Cobra badging, or it could have been a true Cobra. Also, who knows the condition of the car that he raced? It could have had problems that the owner wasn't aware of which was causing it to make less power. It is pretty obvious that the car was NOT a 03 Cobra so there was no need to even bring that car into this discussion. Last thing, he said he hung with it, not beat it. I could understand being skeptical if he would have said he destroyed it, killed it, etc, etc but he said he kept up with it which isn't too much of a stretch.

Originally posted by inferno
There shouldn't be any interference problems with the JRSC even in a 4th gen Civic. The only cars that MIGHT have an interference problem is a 3rd gen...and even then, I don't think they have issues on the firewall side.

yea...his was a 91 h/b si.

well i dont see a jrsc made for that car so i guess that means that it would have to be a custom job

no i mean pictures of the supercharger that you have.....

also i sure hope you walk stock 5.0's after you spend a couple of thousand on your car.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t84749.html

look on page two

Originally posted by RoBoDEATH
well i dont see a jrsc made for that car so i guess that means that it would have to be a custom job

whoops...forgot to mention it was a JDM b16 (making room even less available). it was a project an a half to get the JRSC to fit...heard every word in the book on that one :D .

Originally posted by inferno
I find it disturbing that whenever an import is said to have beaten or stayed close to any V8 powered domestic, that a lot of people instantly try to discount or discredit the story. While I agree, there are several instances where the post is a load of bull, that doesn't make it right to jump down everyone's throat who makes such a post. It could have been a GT with Cobra badging, or it could have been a true Cobra. Also, who knows the condition of the car that he raced? It could have had problems that the owner wasn't aware of which was causing it to make less power. It is pretty obvious that the car was NOT a 03 Cobra so there was no need to even bring that car into this discussion. Last thing, he said he hung with it, not beat it. I could understand being skeptical if he would have said he destroyed it, killed it, etc, etc but he said he kept up with it which isn't too much of a stretch.

Inferno, i disagree fully. I do not believe that any import that is mentioned to beat a V8 domistic is completely denied. My dad has an acura 3.2 type s that could beat the pants off my friend's mustang gt. And then we've got NSX's, Supras, Skylines... But you also have to put things into some perspective here, we are also talking about a HUGE price difference in cars (Civic and Cobra/GT ). Ill even give the benefit of the doubt to say the supercharger was 3grand+intalling, the GT or Cobra is still a lot more expensive. I know money doesn't mean everything and alot of people are going to say "i saw this one do this and that one do that." Im not denying that they can be made fast. But i would have to say that if it is hard to believe a v6 mustang hanging with a gt, it's even harder to believe a civic hanging with it a GT. Again... i could be wrong, he could be right, im just basing my sceptisicm on something.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


whoops...forgot to mention it was a JDM b16 (making room even less available). it was a project an a half to get the JRSC to fit...heard every word in the book on that one :D .

What mount kit did he use? If he used the Place Racing kit, I think he would have some clearance issues with the JRSC but with the HASport kit, it shouldn't be an issue.

Originally posted by pontiactrac


Inferno, i disagree fully. I do not believe that any import that is mentioned to beat a V8 domistic is completely denied. My dad has an acura 3.2 type s that could beat the pants off my friend's mustang gt. And then we've got NSX's, Supras, Skylines... But you also have to put things into some perspective here, we are also talking about a HUGE price difference in cars (Civic and Cobra/GT ). Ill even give the benefit of the doubt to say the supercharger was 3grand+intalling, the GT or Cobra is still a lot more expensive. I know money doesn't mean everything and alot of people are going to say "i saw this one do this and that one do that." Im not denying that they can be made fast. But i would have to say that if it is hard to believe a v6 mustang hanging with a gt, it's even harder to believe a civic hanging with it a GT. Again... i could be wrong, he could be right, im just basing my sceptisicm on something.

Price of the car means absolutely nothing. A 03 Cobra is about 10 grand cheaper than a base C5 vette, but it would beat it easily. On top of that, many people in here can name budget build ups that would be far less than half of the price of a Cobra(35,000), and build a car that would beat the Cobra in nearly every aspect of drivability. I don't want to be rude, but a lot of comments that you have made in this thread and in others don't really seem to be based on facts, but on your own personal opinion. Also, some of the "facts" that you have brought to different arguements have been wrong. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I understand that you are young, but please try to be more rational with some of the things that you say.

Originally posted by inferno


Price of the car means absolutely nothing. A 03 Cobra is about 10 grand cheaper than a base C5 vette, but it would beat it easily. On top of that, many people in here can name budget build ups that would be far less than half of the price of a Cobra(35,000), and build a car that would beat the Cobra in nearly every aspect of drivability. I don't want to be rude, but a lot of comments that you have made in this thread and in others don't really seem to be based on facts, but on your own personal opinion. Also, some of the "facts" that you have brought to different arguements have been wrong. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, and I understand that you are young, but please try to be more rational with some of the things that you say.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
I'm also tired of everyone jumping on the bandwagon and trying to pick through the story and find every little possible way to make it untrue or something. Like he said, he didn't come on here to find out if people believe him or not. Granted, when someone posts something completely and obviously untrue(like a stock Civic HX smoking an IS300 in a highway race:rolleyes: ) then of course, everyone is going to find ways to point to the contrary. But when the story is completely believable then who cares what you THINK happened? You weren't there, HE WAS. The fact that you post on a webboard means that you have to have a certain amount of faith in the other people who visit the site and post here. Because quite frankly there is no way in hell that you can disprove them. And trying to do so is just a waste of time and bandwith. I'm not saying to take every single thing you read here at face value. That would make the boards somewhat dull. I'm just saying that it's becoming extremely annoying when every single time someone posts a kill or a story where an import beats or keeps with a V8 domestic vehicle you have 25 people calling them liars and coming up with excuse after excuse as to why the import did as well as it did. If you have an opinion, state it, but remember that it's only that, an opinion. While what he is saying is FACT. HE KEPT UP WITH A MUSTANG COBRA.

He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

Originally posted by pontiactrac
He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

Everybody repeat after me:
"ALL HAIL COBRA!"..."ALL HAIL!"..."THE WORD `COBRA' SHALLL BRING YOU DOWN TO YOUR KNEES AND MAKE YOU BEG...ALL OF YOU LOWLY CIVIC DRIVERS".:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This reminds me of a time when me and a buddy with a Civic hatchback got challenged by a Yellow Cobra. We won by a hair. Guy's passenger yells at us asking how much my friend was spraying:rolleyes:. He yells out "It's a stock Honda motor in there, buddy!"...which it was, technically, since it had never been opened up, and only had an intake. The knuckleheads almost ran us off the road trying to get us to pull over so he could check the engine, because he obviously didn't believe us.

This is the new millenium, guy. All things are possible nowadays. You have SUV's and mini-vans that'll outrun some of the vaunted "musclecars" of a couple decades ago. Why not an "economy car"?

Not trying to offend you but, SOHC Civics with the JRSC are capable of running mid 14's, which a Cobra with a mild take-off (c'mon, would YOU floor it if it were "just" a Civic trying to race you) is certainly going to do.

Originally posted by pontiactrac
He said he'd hung with it, and with a better take off, would have taken it. That is a bit more than what you said. I realize that he was the only one there, and if he knows he won, than he can laugh at our skepticism, he shouldn't even care what we think anyway if he'd won. And Self, i respect your knowledge, but if you wanna say, "There is no replacement for displacement, not even a turbo." Well than you are somewhat saying the same thing i am... That you would need more than a supercharger to beat an the engine power of a cobra. So if you are tired of people getting on that bandwagon, maybe you should jump off and leave that quote behind. And also, im not trying to put anyone under a microscope, but why is the Civic HX vs. Lexus story supposed to be an obvious lie? But you accuse me of denying this story without being there, then why are u denying the Lexus story if YOU weren't there???

This post isn't offending anyone, these are just valid points

There is no replacement for displacement, no, NOT EVEN A TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER. That most certainly doesn't mean that a larger displacement vehicle can't lose to a smaller engine with forced induction. What the quote implies is that given a 1.8L engine, and a 5.7L engine, the V8 makes more power. Now turbo the smaller engine and we'll assume that they both now make the same amount of power or maybe the smaller engine even makes more...BUT THEN TURBO the larger engine and what happens? That 3.9L difference between the two comes right back up to haunt you. That's what that means. But if the smaller goes FI and the larger doesn't, the smaller has the potential to make quite a bit more power than the larger does in stock form.
The Civic HX story, isn't obviously untrue, that was a mistake on my part. There are obviously many reasons to SERIOUSLY DOUBT the story though. The first of which is the history of that member. There's another thread near the top of this forum that he's saying he won another VERY questionable race:rolleyes: And you don't really need more than a supercharger to outrun a Cobra. Maybe to beat the engine power, but not to beat its times. Weight, that's a HUGE factor in the import vs domestic dispute. They(importers) insist on bringing it up over and over everytime a comparison between cars is mentioned.
And it's easy to say just laugh it off if you know what really happened, but that's only because you're not the person being called a liar by twenty people. I agree with you, he should just laugh it off, but I know damn well that if I post a kill story on here and 15 people are rushing to pick my story apart and call me a liar I would be extremely frustrated and upset. I think you would too. Anyone would, it's called pride, no one likes being doubted or called a liar

Alright, i respect that. ;)

Self I understand what your saying, I wouldn't want to be called a liar either. But honestly not everyone but a lot of Import drivers have brought this upon all import drivers unfairly. Not just here on AF but in real life. I think one of the biggest problems for imports is when they first became popular you had a lot of idiots,liars and haters. I have noticed that in the last couple years import drivers have for the most part earned my respect just by being honest. I work as a proffesional engine builder since i was 17 and I just get so annoyed with stories of how import engines can defy any and every law. So I will not call any one a liar unless it's blantanly obvious but I will hold on to my skeptiscm to a lot of it, until i see it.

it must have been a poser cobra cause.

Originally posted by redmanjd
it must have been a poser cobra cause.

first of all please finish your thought

second of all :flipa: what you think

Robo as a little customization thing to do, why not take a heatgun to those Civic and Ex emblems on the back? In other words take them off. At least the Ex one.

Someone tell me, what the hell posessed Ford to take off the "Cobra" taillights for the 03, and replace them with the original ones you find on V6's, GT, Mach I, Bullitt, etc? The other taillights I always thought were more distinctive then the plain red ones.

What I mean is this taillight

2003 Cobra
http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/kevinscars/c05.jpg

versus this

2001 Cobra

http://www.midnightracing.com/charapp/images/250407-010.jpg