Digital 3D Supercar: Phantom Predator [v.4]

Do you have a close-up of the wing(s)?

Originally posted by PhantomDesign
[B]Some pictures of the back....

I've started to compile a list for modifications for version 5.

So far...
1. Rims (make another style)
2. Remove window frame(door)
3. Rework Front Lights
4. Add grill to front 'intakes'
5. Add realisim to front and back lights
6. Rework convertable(It's an idea I had...should improve the convertable feature)
7. Improve tire material.
8. Increase front-grill-framing curve


NOOOO dont change the lights!!!!:( i love em!!!:)


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Originally posted by maxhogblom


NOOOO dont change the lights!!!!:( i love em!!!:)


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I'm only cleaning up the lights....not changing the lights.

I may do a few closeups of hte wings later later today. Which one are you talking about?

The body is obviously carbon fiber.

Unquestionably does not mean I have every person in the world saying my is better. It means that I have more people (precentage)saying 'Predator is the best" than any other car. It's quite a lofty goal. You gotto admit the convertable feature is bad-ace though.

i completely agree, and not only the convertable but the fixed roof too.

Originally posted by pontiactrac
i completely agree, and not only the convertable but the fixed roof too.

Agree with what?

Nice, I like the design. Elements from many influences are noted well and enjoyable to my eyes. I do have one problem: the exhaust. Being that this is a supercar, it will be made of materials like carbon fiber and plastics in the rear. But the exhausts come out the middle of a piece which could pose problems with heat and melting. I live in Sweden now and Koenigsegg has done this with the exhaust but with much trouble. I havent read all the posts and sorry if this has been brought up. I hope it helps. Keep up the good work.

P.S. Where did you go to design school? If you did. You design is stylized like those of a friend of mine who went to Cranbrook.

Originally posted by undocumented
Nice, I like the design. Elements from many influences are noted well and enjoyable to my eyes. I do have one problem: the exhaust. Being that this is a supercar, it will be made of materials like carbon fiber and plastics in the rear. But the exhausts come out the middle of a piece which could pose problems with heat and melting. I live in Sweden now and Koenigsegg has done this with the exhaust but with much trouble. I havent read all the posts and sorry if this has been brought up. I hope it helps. Keep up the good work.

P.S. Where did you go to design school? If you did. You design is stylized like those of a friend of mine who went to Cranbrook.

Thanks for the suggestion about the exhaust.

I have not been to any design schools, and I don't plan to. It really kills a persons origionality. This is only one of my designs. After I finish my next 2 designs, it should be very clear that I can design a range of styles.

Updated paint....

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-1-20/926037-phantompanthera.jpg

schweet!

Originally posted by PhantomDesign

I may do a few closeups of hte wings later later today. Which one are you talking about?


Both.
If it's possible, a "string model" of them would be even better, thanks :D

New and improved camelion orange.


http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-1-21/926877-phantompanthera.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-1-21/926877-phantompantherb.jpg

http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-1-21/926971-phantompanthera.jpg

What program did you say you used again? I use 3d inventor in school by autodesk. You can do loads of stuff with it, but i think it would be nearly impossible to do something this curvy on that.

I use 3D Studio Max.

To do curved surfaces as neatly as I made them, you'll use a technique called NURBS modeling which is very difficult.

Small update but a good one. Very nice orange. Keep the updates coming. I can't wait to see this 100% finished.

I only updated the paint in the last pictures.

I just completed a major section of version 5: The new convertable. It's really sweet. I've got a lot of more work left to do though. You'll see all the updates at once.

B.T.W. When I release version 5, there is goign to be a short animation [movie] of the top going down. It'll be a must see even for 56k people. Does anyone have any idea where I would be able to upload an 3MB-8MB movie? I think I've got a place to upload it...but if anyone is willing to host it or something that may save me a little effort.

Hey, PhantomDesign. I love the front lights! Very, very realistic and very nice looking. I think they are very fresh-styling. The rims proposed by someone from BMW Z8 are not quite what I was talking about. I really like the place for rear headlights. It looks in place. Add some realism to them. They will look awesome. Make them match the front. That will be really nice. I don't like the Door Frames. The back has very awkward angle which sticks out and feels like it should've been equaled with the body.
I love how it looks in black!
Sorry for a long time, but my computer had to be rebuilt.
I still can't manage to upload pictures. It just doesn't work. I tried to send it to you by e-mail by i got my message back with an answer that " ... the following address had delivery problems ... ".
I'll try to send them again.

With respect,
---Valera---

Originally posted by FirebirdV8350ci
Hey, PhantomDesign. I love the front lights! Very, very realistic and very nice looking. I think they are very fresh-styling. The rims proposed by someone from BMW Z8 are not quite what I was talking about. I really like the place for rear headlights. It looks in place. Add some realism to them. They will look awesome. Make them match the front. That will be really nice. I don't like the Door Frames. The back has very awkward angle which sticks out and feels like it should've been equaled with the body.
I love how it looks in black!
Sorry for a long time, but my computer had to be rebuilt.
I still can't manage to upload pictures. It just doesn't work. I tried to send it to you by e-mail by i got my message back with an answer that " ... the following address had delivery problems ... ".
I'll try to send them again.

With respect,
---Valera---


Could you describe the problem with the back further? Is it a problem you would see looking from a proifile of a side view? Please respond in this...cuzz I'm delaying refining the back end....and workign on the front first instead.

Do you have AIM? I can't send pictures to your e-mail because they i get my mail returned with message that "e-mail exceeds size".
My screen name is WS6RBR. Please send me message, i'll upload pictures to you on it.

Valera.

AIM Screen Name = PhantomCarDesign

cool design, looks like you put some hard work into this. i don't know if i would call it a concept car, more like a supercar. there isn't really anything conceptual about it.... actually, i don't really think it could be a super car either because although it is kinda nifty, its extremely impractical in some areas. for example the only company that would be close to being equipped to produce somehting like this would be ferrari, maybe mclaren, would say maybe lotus but they aren't doing to esprit anymore, which reminds me of this car. production costs would be unbelievable. if i would change anything on it(besides making it a more conservative and practical car), i would say the exhausts. i am suprised nobody has pointed this out yet (if i missed it, my bad) but what would have to power that thing... a chunky v8? maybe supercharged, twin turbo'd? that would produce some heat. and exhausts that go through the bumper have never really been a good idea.

plastic no likey the 200 degree temps.

taking another look -- i can see the drag coeeffecient WAY WAY WAY up there. everything would have to be realistic for a company to purchase the design... and i just don't see it at that point yet.

nick

Can't wait to see the video and updates. Mind if I add you to my AIM buddy list?

Any one of you can add me to their AIM List. Just make sure to send me a message that tells me the forrum you are from (Automotiveforums.com), and your username on that forrum.

now i've seen the other forums
Originally posted by doofoo
This will not get any further than someone playing with 3d tools.

Originally posted by PhantomDesign
New and improved camelion orange.


http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-1-21/926877-phantompanthera.jpg



ok, i like the paint, but IMO the targa roof needs to be changed a little.... i will post my sugestion in a pic in a little later..

http://phantom.ssip.net/

I've started to build my web-site. Take a look around...It's very incomplete, but I jsut started building it 1:00 a.m. and it's 4:30 am right now.

Add it to your favorites if you want. That'll be be my web-site for a few months.

Hey give McLaren their design back. Keep the wheels though.

Yeah...they had a convertable version.

imagine you hair at 120 MPH what a sensation:eek:

or 200 mph....like someone trying to scalp you.

My sit eis more complete....

Anyways I've started a chasis design. Suggest any parts, layourts, materials, etc if you have any ideas. Remember this is a $500,000 U.S. to $1,000,000 U.S. car. So price really doesnt matter. Performance , use, and styling do.

Originally posted by PhantomDesign
My sit eis more complete....

Anyways I've started a chasis design. Suggest any parts, layourts, materials, etc if you have any ideas. Remember this is a $500,000 U.S. to $1,000,000 U.S. car. So price really doesnt matter. Performance , use, and styling do.
totaly agree to that...

For technical crituqes an suggestions..please go to the new thread. I will start another thread back here once version 5 is complete.




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Here's a good rim i found for ur car man.

Thanks. Looks cool.

no disrespect so dont take it wrong because obviously you have talent with your program but your originality is a litte on the low side, too me all the car is, is a mclaren body, mercialago(sp?) convertable roof, and ferrari rear, its cool what you did with the top hiding away--thats original, but even the doors open like a lamborghini i mean c'mon cant you use some of the time you used to make this car and think of something that would appeal to a potential buyer..because if i was looking for a new supercar and had to choose between yours or a mclaren, id go with the mclaren....same look but at least the mclaren has the upper hand in performance...just my 2 cents

No offense taken. I designed my convertable before I hear abotu a murcelago convertable. I done even know how the murcelago convertable works, so I couldnt have possible coppied it.

you take critisim better than any other person on this board, i cant wait too see your new design for the drop top, because i had no idea how the original one you made even worked, if i had a way to host your video i definetly would let you use some space

Abracadabre.... *poof*

My magical powers have jsut summoned a video of my Assault concepts convertable feature (sorry about my camera angle. My cars not complete enough for a good cameara angle.

http://phantom.ssip.net/Files/Convertable%20preview%20[3000,8,95].avi

well, i been away and ive had to kinda of try and catch up but i agree with a lot of the rest of us about those frames over ur windows.. dude they look out of place especially with the roof off, they shouldnt be there, i cant think of a coupe, sports, or performance car with them and its because it looks a bit lame... also

instead of churning out loads and loads of repetitive angles and colours (althought i did like that silver u had) try work on you rendering skills

i think the model would benefit from being isn slightly better surroundings maybe some moody lighting


do you ever look on www.cardesignnews.com ?

take a look and see if you can find inspiration from some of the design competitions. As it stands any of the renders you have produced would not get you anywhere, your model infact might not even be good enough, let alone the slightly outdated design.

i mean it may look good, but that look has been done, its hardly original.
The winner of the peugeot retrofuturism design competition his car is called the "lion" and you should take look honestly its a perfect render, a very original idea in keeping with the competitions aim. That kind of work is going to get you far... yours.. well needs improving

Now im at university doing product design but i will always have a love for car design. I can model and render... not to well at the moment we are learing alias wave front autostudio, 3ds max is next year, photshop been done.
What i am saying is i know whats gone into making that model its not easy at the best of times, but i think even your skills need improving if you wish to get chosen above others

infact im going to try make it easy for you and anyone else whos interested

michelin ran a design competiton, mostly tyres and rims, take a look... take heed

http://www.cardesignnews.com/features/2003/030214ccs-michelin/index.html

here is cardesignnews's write up of the lion competiton winner
take a look

http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2003/030225peugeot-contest/index.html

here is the peugeot site about the compeition, click where it says "see the contest" or similar

http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/index.asp?num_page=317&langue=en


hope this help im not trying to be harsh on you pal

I know that you must be getting sick as hell of all these posts you are getting, but I still want to add my 2 cents. The rear bumper is excellent except for 1 thing...It really wraps up the rear wheels and I tend to like to be able to get some sense of the width of the rear tires on a supercar: example Bugatti Veyron. Anyways, all in all a flawless addition to supercars. good job. Oh yeah, last thing...frameless windows wistle in the wind, its a prety common problem with frameless windows.

Originally posted by Jimmy2times
do you ever look on www.cardesignnews.com ?



He has :)

http://www.cardesignnews.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001210

http://www.cardesignnews.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001258#000010

Originally posted by Gunman


He has :)

http://www.cardesignnews.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001210

http://www.cardesignnews.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=001258#000010

:eek:
designers bashing him

WOW very nice, its a Mclaren F1, F50, diablo, xj220!!!

lol, still its a great mix and all versions look cool! i particularly like the one with the more mclaren f1 looking back half.. (one without the side engine air intakes)

I would say if it were real.. probably up there in the top 3 at least.. but hey if it were real life, i could be swayed to vote no#1!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Jimmy2times
infact im going to try make it easy for you and anyone else whos interested

michelin ran a design competiton, mostly tyres and rims, take a look... take heed

http://www.cardesignnews.com/features/2003/030214ccs-michelin/index.html

here is cardesignnews's write up of the lion competiton winner
take a look

http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2003/030225peugeot-contest/index.html

here is the peugeot site about the compeition, click where it says "see the contest" or similar

http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/index.asp?num_page=317&langue=en

hope this help im not trying to be harsh on you pal

The problem is he probably doesnt like those types of designs.. i know i dont, and to me they look far less practical that even the phantom or whatever this cars full name is.

In my above post i was optimistic, i suppose thats how i would look at this car if none of the other cars it resembled existed. Its nice, but a little over done and unoriginal. I agree you could make your renders a little more realistic.. but that has little to do with your car design.

I love the car, besides being a little out going and ofcourse its 'fusion of many cars' look.

Use design concepts you like, but not copy them completely.. thats what i would do when designing a car, i would love to do tha kind of thing.. but apparently my taste in car designes is allready dated and im not even an adult yet.. wow what a world we live in..

EDIT: OMG i had a render of your car from ultimate carpage.com and i thought it was a real image.. how did your renders get so much better?? its amazing and from that angle it looks alot more original!!! nice!!!

looks like a cross between a Saleen S7 and a porsche GT3. i like it.

:ylsuper :) If I were a leading car company exec. I would hire you.That car deserves a V12 for sure...

That car would seriously look sweet with some raytracing and GI (hdri would make it look too real :D )

pm me if you want details/settings

O.K..... Sorry I've been away. I appreciate all of my fans.


YOU ROCK!!!!!!




People on www.cardesignnnews.com hate me because I'm beautiful. Well, not exactly, but they hate me becasue I came out of nowhere, skip the whole process of artistic schooling (for very good reasons), produce designs that can actually be used i nthe real world (unlike theirs) are extremly appealing (unlike theirs) and I'm really goood at 3D (unlike them). A lot of htem are really jealous and try to bring me to their level by asking me to sketch and drop 3D all together.

Anyways, not all of htem are like that, but there are a lot of people there who rip on me because they're jealous.


Well, the moment you've all been waiting for......even though you really didn't know you were waiting for it.....the all new.....PHANTOM INFERNO. Be careful though. Some consider the sexy curves and top down to be explicit content (my school in paticular). You lave to be atleast 18 (I'm joking) to view my new thang that's full of sexy curves. Beware that the pictures so far are mostly topless.

http://phantom.ssip.net/Inferno/


And please proced to my new thread...


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t106194.html

damn that loads slow maybe you should start a new thread and post the pics.

Hey
Hey phantom your site doesnt work for me, neither do your pics :(

The site changed ownership so it is temporarly down, but I'll have it running soon.