What happens when you die?

Originally posted by Robbie
you either get buried in the ground, or cremated.

Tend to agree,surprised nobody came to that conclusion sooner.



But this thread believes in reincarnation...........

yeah... but IMO you don't have to believe in the christian god, if you have faith in any religion you'll probably get in.... like if heaven is actually run by the christian god that we believe in, it's not like all muslims won't get in, they'll get in too cause they have faith in what they believe in. I think we all basically believe in the same God just different religions see him in different forms, etc.

If you were selling some tomatoes on the side of the road...would you give them to somebody who said they payed the guy on the other side of the road selling cucumbers? Of course not that would be absurd. However, we seem to think it perfectly acceptable that God would be ok with you living your life for some other god, and accept you all the same. I find this to be a highly deceptive and self-securing point of view. And just in case someone says, because they always do in this sort of topic, "if heaven WERE run by the christian God, he would let you in regardless of what religion you believed in, because such a loving God wouldn't send anyone to hell". You're right, God wouldn't send anyone to hell."...it is His will that none should perish, but that all should come to know eternal life(paraphrased)". That's why God sent His only Son, who was Himself God, to this earth to vicariously atone for our sins.Now you may say, "well if He loves people that much why need a sacrafice?". Well God is loving, but He is also true and just. He does ask that we live our lives in a way that He finds acceptable, a life lived to serve Him, and others. Honestly, if you find that unfair, I think you should back up and think about it. Live a good life as described in the scriptures, or suffer the consequences of your own sinful nature.So in conclusion(finally), God doesn't send anyone to hell, in a sense we send ourselves. Ok sorry so long i'm done.

Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL


Actually, I was turned down there. I was overqualified! They don't want professionals.:D

That's only partially true, DVS was acturally running the place for awhile until Lucifer became aware of his growing evilness & he was afraid that DVS' evilness would surpass himself, so he demoted DVS back to Earth to haunt us here at AF :D

Originally posted by whttrshpunk


If you were selling some tomatoes on the side of the road...would you give them to somebody who said they payed the guy on the other side of the road selling cucumbers? Of course not that would be absurd. However, we seem to think it perfectly acceptable that God would be ok with you living your life for some other god, and accept you all the same. I find this to be a highly deceptive and self-securing point of view. And just in case someone says, because they always do in this sort of topic, "if heaven WERE run by the christian God, he would let you in regardless of what religion you believed in, because such a loving God wouldn't send anyone to hell". You're right, God wouldn't send anyone to hell."...it is His will that none should perish, but that all should come to know eternal life(paraphrased)". That's why God sent His only Son, who was Himself God, to this earth to vicariously atone for our sins.Now you may say, "well if He loves people that much why need a sacrafice?". Well God is loving, but He is also true and just. He does ask that we live our lives in a way that He finds acceptable, a life lived to serve Him, and others. Honestly, if you find that unfair, I think you should back up and think about it. Live a good life as described in the scriptures, or suffer the consequences of your own sinful nature.So in conclusion(finally), God doesn't send anyone to hell, in a sense we send ourselves. Ok sorry so long i'm done.

god loves all people....
it's not somebodies fault if they were raised in a muslim family (assuming that the real god is christian) they will still get in cause they believe in the same god, just they see him differently than we do. I think aslong as a person has faith in the religion they were raised in, then they have faith in the same god we do.
especially if they don't sin at all, there is no reason they wouldn't get into heaven

Originally posted by whttrshpunk


If you were selling some tomatoes on the side of the road...would you give them to somebody who said they payed the guy on the other side of the road selling cucumbers? Of course not that would be absurd. However, we seem to think it perfectly acceptable that God would be ok with you living your life for some other god, and accept you all the same. I find this to be a highly deceptive and self-securing point of view. And just in case someone says, because they always do in this sort of topic, "if heaven WERE run by the christian God, he would let you in regardless of what religion you believed in, because such a loving God wouldn't send anyone to hell". You're right, God wouldn't send anyone to hell."...it is His will that none should perish, but that all should come to know eternal life(paraphrased)". That's why God sent His only Son, who was Himself God, to this earth to vicariously atone for our sins.Now you may say, "well if He loves people that much why need a sacrafice?". Well God is loving, but He is also true and just. He does ask that we live our lives in a way that He finds acceptable, a life lived to serve Him, and others. Honestly, if you find that unfair, I think you should back up and think about it. Live a good life as described in the scriptures, or suffer the consequences of your own sinful nature.So in conclusion(finally), God doesn't send anyone to hell, in a sense we send ourselves. Ok sorry so long i'm done.

Very well put.

Originally posted by gang$tarr


god loves all people....
it's not somebodies fault if they were raised in a muslim family (assuming that the real god is christian) they will still get in cause they believe in the same god, just they see him differently than we do. I think aslong as a person has faith in the religion they were raised in, then they have faith in the same god we do.
especially if they don't sin at all, there is no reason they wouldn't get into heaven

I believe that everybody has their shot a getting into heaven. Now these muslims, when they stand before God will have a choice as to if they accept God as the one and only. I believe that he shows mercy if someone was mislead or too young to make a honest choice. But all of the true believers will have no problem getting in b/c they allready know who is the one and only.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover


I believe that everybody has their shot a getting into heaven. Now these muslims, when they stand before God will have a choice as to if they accept God as the one and only. I believe that he shows mercy if someone was mislead or too young to make a honest choice. But all of the true believers will have no problem getting in b/c they allready know who is the one and only. what the hell are you talking about? you and white trash punk...."now these muslims".....i happen to be Muslim...and we believe in God....not Jesus as God, because any rational person would come to the reasonable conclusion that God did not have a son and that worshiping a human is absurd. As Muslims, we believe in God....the one and only God....the one that created this world, you, me, JESUS, the air we breath and the ground we walk on....the all knowing, the all forgiving. Some of you think that we believe in some other type of God or something. Allah means God.....its just in another language. and as for Jesus dieing for your sins...i seriously doubt that one man, ONE man, can die for the rest of humanities sins....how is that even concievalbe?? that throws out the whole notion of free will dosent it? yea, you choose to repent, but eventually, according to you, your gonna go to Heaven, because of this ONE MAN...if Christians would open theyre eyes and see that Jesus was actually created....yea, thats right, he was....by GOD!!....then they would see that worshipping him makes absolutly no sense. i know what your gonna say...."blah blah blah Trinity...blah blah blah"....say what you will....but your forgetting one thing....who do you worship?? Jesus....who did Jesus worship??? uh oh...thats a toughy isnt it??

Originally posted by SickLude
what the hell are you talking about? you and white trash punk...."now these muslims".....i happen to be Muslim...and we believe in God....not Jesus as God, because any rational person would come to the reasonable conclusion that God did not have a son and that worshiping a human is absurd. As Muslims, we believe in God....the one and only God....the one that created this world, you, me, JESUS, the air we breath and the ground we walk on....the all knowing, the all forgiving. Some of you think that we believe in some other type of God or something. Allah means God.....its just in another language. and as for Jesus dieing for your sins...i seriously doubt that one man, ONE man, can die for the rest of humanities sins....how is that even concievalbe?? that throws out the whole notion of free will dosent it? yea, you choose to repent, but eventually, according to you, your gonna go to Heaven, because of this ONE MAN...if Christians would open theyre eyes and see that Jesus was actually created....yea, thats right, he was....by GOD!!....then they would see that worshipping him makes absolutly no sense. i know what your gonna say...."blah blah blah Trinity...blah blah blah"....say what you will....but your forgetting one thing....who do you worship?? Jesus....who did Jesus worship??? uh oh...thats a toughy isnt it??

Ahh, now we get another aspect of this from a Muslim. I don't know what your talking about. God created Jesus, his son. He died for our sins and yours. And worshiping him is great. Yeah you believe in a God. But Allah ain't the same God. You belive what you want but I think you are all wrong. One reason why I don't believe in the Muslim faith is b/c your prophet Mohammed had married and sex with some 9 year old and that is sick. If he were here now he would be on the perverted list. Allah is some kind of Pagan moon god or something and they created their own religion of this prophet that is a pervert. Man come on. There are no perverts in my faith.

Mohammed also believes that women aren't as good as men and that they are below them. Just with that said, Mohammed was smoking some good sh*t and alot of the Muslim faith comes from this wise-guy. We are all equal, man woman brown purple and yellow, all equal. If you have read any of the quotes in the Hadeeth, then you would surely know that Mohammed ain't no prophet, just a pothead. I don't like dawging your faith but you came wit it and I just got to fire back.:rocket: :finger:

LOL...what cracker jack box did you pull that shit out of?? did some history teacher tell you that? or did you read that by some guy calling himself a educated man? i cant believe what i just read. that was the most ludiciris, heinous, complete untruth bullshit ever. EVER. had sex with a 9 year old??? i cant help but to laugh at your pitiful, unfortunite, misunderstood jibberish. that rumor....yes rumor....sounds like something you read from the internet. how can you possibly say that? wow, i have no words to describe what i just read. your lack of education and your willingness to believe in such garbage has me crying from the the laughter. how is "allah aint the same God"?? this God created the one that you worship man. how can it make any sense to worship something that was created by something higher? and read quotes from the Hadeeth saying that Prophet Mohammed is a pothead?? you have totally showed the ignorance by which most Christians live today. God created us all equally, yes. men and of course women. no where does it say, in any scripture, that Islam teaches the unequal rights of women. NO WHERE. no matter what you heard or no matter what your daddy told you, it isnt true. A pagan moon God??? you know, maybe one day, when you turn 13, you'll grow to learn that reading is actually fundamental and beneficial. dont get me wrong, im not bashing christianity in no way, Jesus was great...he was a prophet...not a God...not a Son of God....but a prophet...he did many great things that will set him apart in this mankind....as well as the many other prophets....however, the followers of this religion cannot see past the fog that is blinding them. i feel sorry for you man. truely i do.

Note: Mispelling = Coldhands...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SickLude
[B]LOL...what cracker jack box did you pull that shit out of??

I pulled it out of your a$$ trick. If you read his quotes and stuff then you would know. He would have epileptic seizures and would see things and then he would write about these things. I didn't say he was a pothead, but I bet he was blowing big smoke. Your God isn't the same as mine. Your religion teaches of violence and Jesus tought about peace. I worship his son b/c he died for our sins. Of course I'll praise him and I praise God for giving his own son to save us. Pull that sausage out your behind and then we could talk. I see you don't even know about the Muslim faith. Why don't you read a little closer and get those booty crums out your teeth.

you irritating little fucker. i honestly dont have the patience to deal with your bullshit. but ill comment on a couple of things....first off...your a byproduct of the media. i hate to say it man, but you are. saying that Islam teaches violence is the same thing as saying money grows on trees. Islam has never been about violence...nor will it...what you see in the news today is crap...Bin Laden flying planes through buildings IS NOT Islam....epilepic seizures?? and then he would write about what he was hallucinating about and your saying thats what we follow?? dear God dude, i hope you dont go through college saying all this...you'll officially be the biggest dumbass on campus...guaranteed. Our religion is that of faith and patience....value and morals....love and justice....not blowing up things and growing a beard as some ignorant people like to think.

Originally posted by SickLude
you irritating little fucker. i honestly dont have the patience to deal with your bullshit. but ill comment on a couple of things....first off...your a byproduct of the media. i hate to say it man, but you are. saying that Islam teaches violence is the same thing as saying money grows on trees. Islam has never been about violence...nor will it...what you see in the news today is crap...Bin Laden flying planes through buildings IS NOT Islam....epilepic seizures?? and then he would write about what he was hallucinating about and your saying thats what we follow?? dear God dude, i hope you dont go through college saying all this...you'll officially be the biggest dumbass on campus...guaranteed. Our religion is that of faith and patience....value and morals....love and justice....not blowing up things and growing a beard as some ignorant people like to think.

Just read about him and you'll know what he is. Nice to chat with ya dude.:ylsuper . I didn't say that Muslims are like Bin Laden. You're getting it twisted bro. I have my info and you have yours. I'll respect yours if you respect mine. Cuz some of the stuff you said, I thought was incorrect, as you thought of mine. So we'll just set our differences aside. holla.

you're all wrong! Zeus will accept you into Olympus, when you die, and you'll feel kinda dumb with all of this christianity stuff when you're There. Luckily, although Zeus is a hard-ass, he understands how christianity has spread and people just don't believe in him anymore. Don't laugh in my face though, and call this nonsense, or else he WILL kick yer butt to Hades!

Originally posted by Steel
you're all wrong! Zeus will accept you into Olympus, when you die, and you'll feel kinda dumb with all of this christianity stuff when you're There. Luckily, although Zeus is a hard-ass, he understands how christianity has spread and people just don't believe in him anymore. Don't laugh in my face though, and call this nonsense, or else he WILL kick yer butt to Hades!

You must be doing a project in English about the Greeks. Zeus can lick my butt. Aries can kiss my black a$$.

Nope, actaully. You'll be licking Zeuses butt for that. But whatever. You can belive in your "wrong" religion and not get let into olympus cause of it. Not my fault. You're right about "god" (Zeus) not letting nonbelivers in, excpet you ARE one of the non-believers.


I hope my point is becoming still clearer.

Originally posted by Steel
Nope, actaully. You'll be licking Zeuses butt for that. But whatever. You can belive in your "wrong" religion and not get let into olympus cause of it. Not my fault. You're right about "god" (Zeus) not letting nonbelivers in, excpet you ARE one of the non-believers.


I hope my point is becoming still clearer.

Where is your homeboy Poseidon. I heard he dround.

You don't get it, do you?
no matter.
i deal no longer with this subject. Well, im continuing with my ancient greek god refernces, but only for fun.

Originally posted by Steel
You don't get it, do you?
no matter.
i deal no longer with this subject. Well, im continuing with my ancient greek god refernces, but only for fun.

Oh ok. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

Jesus was great...he was a prophet...not a God...not a Son of God....but a prophe

Ok, let me first apologize for Mrcoilover's attitude, and to Mrcoilover himself PLEASE CALM DOWN, and show some respect to other people and there beliefs. Now, on to the reason for my post. When I say "son of God", I do not mean to imply that Jesus is the son of Yahweh(God) in the human sense, father and son. However, a father-son relationship was the best way for Y'shua(Jesus) to describe the Triune God-head(Trinity) to us. The reason christians believe that we(humans) are created in Yahweh's image is not because of our physical shape, such as having 2 arms and 2 legs, but because of the fact that we are a three-part being. We are composed of a physical body, a mind(intellect, personality etc.), and a spirit, which is our eternal self. This then, is how we are created in Yahweh's image, for He too is a three-part being, most commonly called; Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. Each part of the Trinity is wholly God, but displaying, for lack of a better term, a different "side" of Him. I hope I've made my point clearer, and if anyone would like to continue this topic in private, you can PM me or email me at [email protected]. Later.

Originally posted by whttrshpunk


Ok, let me first apologize for Mrcoilover's attitude, and to Mrcoilover himself PLEASE CALM DOWN, and show some respect to other people and there beliefs

First, let me apologize becuz you are confused my friend. If you don't know what's going on, then don't direct your words towards me. SickLude was the one that started name-calling so before you post you need to read the whole thing bro. Secondly, I ain't got an attitude either. So lets not go that route dude.:ylsuper

FYI, wasn't trying to offend any muslims. Just using as an example. I just stating my opinion for all you haters out their. I' ain't relating Osama Bin Laden to regular Muslims.

Originally posted by SickLude
what the hell are you talking about? you and white trash punk...."now these muslims".....i happen to be Muslim...and we believe in God....not Jesus as God, because any rational person would come to the reasonable conclusion that God did not have a son and that worshiping a human is absurd. As Muslims, we believe in God....the one and only God....the one that created this world, you, me, JESUS, the air we breath and the ground we walk on....the all knowing, the all forgiving. Some of you think that we believe in some other type of God or something. Allah means God.....its just in another language. and as for Jesus dieing for your sins...i seriously doubt that one man, ONE man, can die for the rest of humanities sins....how is that even concievalbe?? that throws out the whole notion of free will dosent it? yea, you choose to repent, but eventually, according to you, your gonna go to Heaven, because of this ONE MAN...if Christians would open theyre eyes and see that Jesus was actually created....yea, thats right, he was....by GOD!!....then they would see that worshipping him makes absolutly no sense. i know what your gonna say...."blah blah blah Trinity...blah blah blah"....say what you will....but your forgetting one thing....who do you worship?? Jesus....who did Jesus worship??? uh oh...thats a toughy isnt it??

that was some ignorant ass shit.... but i aint gunna go there
Mr. Coilover fights for my behalf :D :D

i got nothin against any religion, i think we all have a good chance to get into heaven
god's not gunna send you to hell just cause you were raised a different way

and i still think that we all believe in the same god, just different religions see him differently

now let's juss kick it and smoke a blunt!! wouldn't that be peaceful? :smoker2:

Originally posted by gang$tarr


that was some ignorant ass shit.... but i aint gunna go there
Mr. Coilover fights for my behalf :D :D

i got nothin against any religion, i think we all have a good chance to get into heaven
god's not gunna send you to hell just cause you were raised a different way

and i still think that we all believe in the same god, just different religions see him differently

now let's juss kick it and smoke a blunt!! wouldn't that be peaceful? :smoker2:

puff puff pass man.:smoka:

whitetrashpunk...thank you for explaining something that needed to be explained. i do appreciate it. i did understand it already, but im still very appreciative. and to gangstarr...i appologize if i sounded ignorant earlier. however, i dont take back what i said. i respect everyones point of view and i do, like many others, believe that heaven, which was the topic of discussion to begin with, will be comprised of Holy People, including and certainly not limited to Christians, Muslims, and Jews.

Originally posted by SickLude
whitetrashpunk...thank you for explaining something that needed to be explained. i do appreciate it. i did understand it already, but im still very appreciative. and to gangstarr...i appologize if i sounded ignorant earlier. however, i dont take back what i said. i respect everyones point of view and i do, like many others, believe that heaven, which was the topic of discussion to begin with, will be comprised of Holy People, including and certainly not limited to Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
I agree man, you do have a point, sorry for all the flames:flamer: . It's all good right. :smoka:

I apologize too, if i offended anyone. So damn hard to convey a message in so few words though. da,mn internewrt

oh yea, its definitly all good. in the heat of battle, people tend to say things they dont truely mean, or comprehend for that matter. this was my issue and im sorry if i offended anyone. arguing is always good though, it makes us learn many things in a very short period of time.

Hey it's all good =) I actually enjoy a friendly challenging debate or argument. It's a good way to find out if you know anything about what you claim to believe. Of course, I do think that I am right, and I do believe that the god I serve is "THE God", if I didn't then it would be pointless to believe at all. But I also realize that other people, however much I disagree with them, believe differently than I do, and if I don't respect others beliefs, I can't really expect them to respect mine. No hard feelings :D

I think our life force aka: The Force, is tranfered to a differnt plain of existance...im hoping to become a Jedi Knight in my next life...and then i can kick some ass with my lightsabor...and smoke some herb wiht Yoda....lol:finger:

Originally posted by clockworksmurf
I think our life force aka: The Force, is tranfered to a differnt plain of existance...im hoping to become a Jedi Knight in my next life...and then i can kick some ass with my lightsabor...and smoke some herb wiht Yoda....lol:finger:

Yoda probably got the good stuff. That fire!!:smoka: :smoker2: :bandit:

i'd hit that sesh....

:D :D