The official nice guy thread.

Okay, just need to vent. What is it with women?! If your nice, your invisible to them. It's like a huge turnoff for them. I mean, they'll be cool with you at first, but as soon as your even the slight bit nice to them, forget about ever being anything with them. It's soo stupid. They'll date jerks who'll cheat on em', never buy them anything , never want to spend any time witn em', be rude to em'. etc...
Sorry, just had to get it out. Not in the greatest mood today.:mad:

and the world feels your pain

literally
i mean it sucks i know im on the same boat as you

it happens all too often unfortunately.... all too often... :(

Originally posted by Misundaztood
Okay, just need to vent. What is it with women?! If your nice, your invisible to them. It's like a huge turnoff for them. I mean, they'll be cool with you at first, but as soon as your even the slight bit nice to them, forget about ever being anything with them. It's soo stupid. They'll date jerks who'll cheat on em', never buy them anything , never want to spend any time witn em', be rude to em'. etc...
Sorry, just had to get it out. Not in the greatest mood today.:mad:

That is so true.:( I have most of my friends advising me to be more of a jerk to girls if i want to be more popular. And you know what i think they might be right.

It's just another law of nature.

Females prefer males that exhibit dominant traits- often aggression, a certain amount of Ego, and leadership abilities, such as getting things done, I.E: being a jerk.

I feel the pain.

My friend (A girl) says there's an appeal in the jerks, something about how they have confidence. I don't know how that works.

I'm just a nice guy. ;)

Yep, it sure does sux0r to be a nice, average looking guy and have high-heel marks all over your face form where you've been walked on. :rolleyes:


Women.

"Nice guys finish last. Win any way you can." ~ Leo Durocher


Yeah, I'm a nice guy. Never had a girlfriend. I have the "terrible awful" friendship disease. You know the one when you become best friends with the girl you'd love to go out with. And you see the jerk she's dating and she says "Why can't I date a guy more like you?" :silly2:

Oh well. I'm taking a break from trying to date now and am just going to enjoy the friendships I have.

I have plenty of confidence and I'm nice. Hasn't gotten me anywhere either though :(

Women don't know what's best for them....

Just remember this, attraction isn't a choice. If you can make a woman fell attractino for you then there's nothing she can do about it. Unfourtunately, nice guys don't make attraction. You have to be extremelly confident, funny, different, unpredictable, and basically a challenge. Try treating the woman like your bratty little sister and bust her balls.

Originally posted by Twist
"Nice guys finish last. Win any way you can." ~ Leo Durocher


Yeah, I'm a nice guy. Never had a girlfriend. I have the "terrible awful" frienship disease. You know the one when you become best friends with the girl you'd love to go out with. And you see the jerk she's dating and she says "Why can't I date a guy more like you?" :silly2:

Oh well. I'm taking a break from trying to date now and am just going to enjoy the friendships I have.

w3rd to that whole post. :(

Originally posted by YellowMaranello
...and bust her balls.

Have you studied biology yet? :lol2:

Ahh people, I can see not many, if ANY of you have read the LADDER yet. If you know what's good for you, READ IT NOW!! Here ya go...
http://intellectualwhores.com/ladderintro.html
It's kinda lengthy, but after you're done, you will be ENLIGHTENED to say the least! Also, I don't necessarily agree with the views of the Ladder, but even I admit it does make a sort of weird sense...

The sure fire way to get women to like you is called dinkman, it works every time, because nice guys finish last.

Originally posted by Self
http://intellectualwhores.com/ladderintro.html
It's kinda lengthy, but after you're done, you will be ENLIGHTENED to say the least! Also, I don't necessarily agree with the views of the Ladder, but even I admit it does make a sort of weird sense...

You are my god for sending me that. I do feel enlightend, I don't so much agree with it all, but the author clearly has women worked out. I was impressed. KEEP IT SECRET this can't get out.

Speaking from a females perspective, we get tired of the jerks after a while. I went through a phase of being attracted to and going out with them, but grew out of it eventually. Nice guys are so much better all round. :)

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
Speaking from a females perspective, we get tired of the jerks after a while. I went through a phase of being attracted to and going out with them, but grew out of it eventually. Nice guys are so much better all round. :)

Well, great, that just makes us damned if we do and damned if we don't. I have tried nice and it has gotten me nothing more than heartache. So what is the deal, do we have to be jerks for a while then figure a good time to be nice again?

Originally posted by Polygon


Well, great, that just makes us damned if we do and damned if we don't. I have tried nice and it has gotten me nothing more than heartache. So what is the deal, do we have to be jerks for a while then figure a good time to be nice again?

Nope, I've got the plan.

Stay single and load up on the cash, buy whatever you want without a woman to talk you out of it or yell at you for it, then, by the time you feel you really need a woman, the women your age have figured out they want a nice guy, especially if he has money too. You currently have both, and you get the woman :D

Originally posted by Polygon


Well, great, that just makes us damned if we do and damned if we don't. I have tried nice and it has gotten me nothing more than heartache. So what is the deal, do we have to be jerks for a while then figure a good time to be nice again? No, just go out with a girl that's a bit older that's already been through the jerk phase. I grew out of it at about 21.

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
No, just go out with a girl that's a bit older that's already been through the jerk phase. I grew out of it at about 21.

Except that women always say they won't date younger guys.

Hmm, well that is good for me, at least I can hope to get a girl that appreciates me that is around my own age. Problem is that you can never tell how old they are based on looks alone, you have to card girls these days.

Thanks for the advice Heep and Spec2. You give me some good ideas.

Originally posted by Heep


Except that women always say they won't date younger guys. Not all women. :)

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
Nice guys are so much better all round. :)

I'm all round......does that make me a nicer guy?:)

Originally posted by taranaki


I'm all round......does that make me a nicer guy?:)

:lol2:

Good one :D

Originally posted by Twist
"Nice guys finish last. Win any way you can." ~ Leo Durocher


Yeah, I'm a nice guy. Never had a girlfriend. I have the "terrible awful" frienship disease. You know the one when you become best friends with the girl you'd love to go out with. And you see the jerk she's dating and she says "Why can't I date a guy more like you?" :silly2:

Oh well. I'm taking a break from trying to date now and am just going to enjoy the friendships I have.



That's happened to me so many damn times... Like you, I'm taking a break and just getting Project Nova going.

Originally posted by taranaki


I'm all round......does that make me a nicer guy?:) You're one of the nice guys anyway! :D

Well I don't feel the need to chage for anyone- if a woman doesn't like me for who I am- then she isn't worth my time

Originally posted by Jimster
Well I don't feel the need to chage for anyone- if a woman doesn't like me for who I am- then she isn't worth my time

My thoughts exactly.

don't be nice to women...they'll just take advantage of you.

remember my slogan...Money Over Bit*hes


Thug Life

Originally posted by RickyDimes
don't be nice to women...they'll just take advantage of you.

remember my slogan...Money Over Bit*hes


Thug Life

:lol2:

Originally posted by RickyDimes
don't be nice to women...they'll just take advantage of you.

remember my slogan...Money Over Bit*hes


Thug Life

Well - some women will do that. However that just the topic in reverse. Its guys looking for the jerk women instead of the women looking for jerk guys.

I've always been a nice guy I guess... but I'm different from most in that I'm EEEVVIIILLL!!! :hehehe:

Simple habits... you don't have to BE any particular way, you just have to SEEM a particular way. Look, by the time anyone really knows you well enough to see past their first impressions and initial impressions, they either want you or they don't. There are exceptions to this, from time to time, but this is the general rule. It's a hit or miss kind of thing.

You can't really make a clearcut distinction between nice guy and asshole... Me for example, if you ask a hundred people who know me, you'll get a few VERY different opinions about what kind of guy I am. It's just a matter of what sort of person you appear to be to them.

Now every woman is different, and you can't expect one personality to appeal to all of them, so there are a few rules of thumb to stick to.

It's better to be a bit distant, and maybe a bit of an jerk, than to be overly sappy and clingy. Women absolutely hate that, unless it's reciprocated.

Humour, it's essential. If she doesn't understand your sense of humour, how likely is the relationship to succeed? Be yourself, make a few jokes... just consider them carefully and make sure they're funny ;)

Do not, under any circumstance, give her the impression you need her. This is death. By "needing" her, you give her all the power, and as much as I'm about to get flamed for this, most women like to a large extent a guy who is going to be the dominant partner. It's how our society is, patriarchical.

Flame away :D

Originally posted by Self
Ahh people, I can see not many, if ANY of you have read the LADDER yet. If you know what's good for you, READ IT NOW!! Here ya go...
http://intellectualwhores.com/ladderintro.html
It's kinda lengthy, but after you're done, you will be ENLIGHTENED to say the least! Also, I don't necessarily agree with the views of the Ladder, but even I admit it does make a sort of weird sense... HOLY GOAT BALLS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Where was that when I was in High School? :cry:
Originally posted by Heep
Nope, I've got the plan.

Stay single and load up on the cash, buy whatever you want without a woman to talk you out of it or yell at you for it, then, by the time you feel you really need a woman, the women your age have figured out they want a nice guy, especially if he has money too. You currently have both, and you get the woman :DSuper-pimp! :smoka:

i dont have as much dating experiance as most you of here..but i can agree with everyone here...that nice guys *mostly* finish last. i mean i had a girlfriend for a year and a half and we were inseperable, there was no sex or whatever involved so it wasnt like we had to worry about all that emotional shit attached to that when we broke up. but when we did break up it was holy hell because i got trampled. i worked to hard to make it work i think. i bought her tons and tons of shit. i kind of regret it now cuz she treats me like crap now and she seems more interested in the assholes in school that think a girl is a piece of jewelry and will walk around like they are the shit with a girl on their arm. or the assholes that wont buy a girl anything and will treat them like shit...They'll date jerks who'll cheat on em', never buy them anything , never want to spend any time witn em', be rude to em'. etc... tru ta that

Us (can I say that?) nice guys, dont always finish last at all. Just get a DECENT girl, so the others look good and have all the cool friends, the ones like that from my school are now un-employed etc. I dated some mad girls, like really awesome ones, and I was nothing but nice to them, you just gotta find the girls who appreciate things as you do.

Of course, we're a biased group... Since we're all dorks already. :o

Originally posted by jay@af
Of course, we're a biased group... Since we're all dorks already. :o


Hey speak for yourself!!!...


*looks at post count... and thinks about the time he's spent online in general...*


wait you speak the truth :(... i need a beer.

Nice guys don't finish last. They just get a REALLY lousy start.

Here's my opinion for what it's worth:

Don't sweat the women... If they don't value your qualities then they aren't worth your time...

Don't change who you are just to get noticed by them, because then you're not yourself, and living a lie never lasts long.

Stick it out, and eventually, you will find someone who loves you for being yourself, and they will appreciate the qualities that other women over-looked...

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
No, just go out with a girl that's a bit older that's already been through the jerk phase. I grew out of it at about 21.

yeah well how long do we have to bloody well wait.

I'm getting sick of being nice all the time.

Well, I fit into the nice guy category. So, never much luck with the girls. Still, I seem to have one now, which is good.
I think a good method to not get knocked into the friend category is to make sexual jokes implying the girl, that way, they here you talking about them in a sexual manner. This can help to slowly turn you into boy friend material.

Still, ive noticed that all of the assholes, who have no respect of woman, seem to get them. They give them almost nothing except crap, it makes me mad:rolleyes:

My advice, in hindsight, for guys in the 'intellectual whore' position:

Work on yourself, for yourself. Self-loathing and pity buys you nothing.

This is not meant to be patronizing to those currently in the 'intellectual whore' role, but is my honest advice, and what I wish I had spent my time and energy on when I was in that position. I have to say that the 'Ladder Theory,' explained as such, applies to me perfectly throughout my life. (:o)

Guys: Find ways to improve yourself; make yourself the person you want to be. Figure out what you like, what you're good at, and excel at it. Let everything else come second (that's what priorities are about ;)), including "serious relationships." The investment in yourself will pay off ten-fold.

The advantages are these:
[list=1] You keep what you gain. Your advancements in your skills, job, athletic ability, etc are yours to keep and use. (Not like throwing your time and money at a relationship that will disolve as soon as she realizes you're 'just a friend.')

You will have more 'money/power,' or at least more potential to gain 'money/power,' as defined in the Ladder Theory. (This makes you more attractive (http://intellectualwhores.com/deconstruction.html) to the laidies. ;) (But you're still ignoring them, remember? :o) )

In the meantime, it will make you more 'aloof.' (See again: attraction (http://intellectualwhores.com/deconstruction.html); sub-point "Competition")[/list=1]

[DISCLAIMER: This doesn't mean excel at playing Street Fighter while failing school. :rolleyes:]

Laidies: Please, for pete's sake, tell us honestly where we stand. Because seriously, we have no idea. Ever. And we will ruin friendships because of it. Period.

Oh yeah, and don't date the jerks! :mad:

[DISCLAIMER_pt2: My point to the laidies is somewhat out of context addressing the types of laidies who would be on an automotive forum in the first place. So just tell your friends. ;) (If you have any friends who are girls! :o) ]




But then, you'll soon be complaining that there's no place to meet chicks.... :lol2:

Originally posted by jay@af
[DISCLAIMER_pt2: My point to the laidies is somewhat out of context addressing the types of laidies who would be on an automotive forum in the first place. So just tell your friends. ;) (If you have any friends who are girls! :o) ]

But then, you'll soon be complaining that there's no place to meet chicks.... :lol2: [/B]


There are plenty of great chicks on AF. They are just all thousands of miles away:p

What Jay said already applies to me...while I love women, want to be married someday, etc etc, I really do not want a girlfriend right now. I'd rather spend my time achieveing my goals, improving myself, getting what I want and doing what I want. Once I'm settled, by that time, according to the Ladder, I'll be far more attractive, AND women my age will have gotten past the jerk stage. I'm all too happy to be single right now :D

Thanks for all the posts guys. They've helped me come to some conclusions that otherwise would have taken longer.

For the record, I don't agree with Harry and the Ladder site on one point (or one point that I'll discuss now). I do think a man and a woman can be friends and leave it at just that. These situations are admittedly rare (especially after marriage), but they are there. I have several friends (close ones, too) that are women, and I don't want to date all of them. I admit I'd like to date a few, but the majority are women with whom I genuinely like as friends and would prefer to keep it that way.

[note: i switched "want to have sex with" and "want to date" because I don't get into relationships for the sex. I'm looking for a wife and I'm a Christian, so no sex until marriage.]

Originally posted by Twist
[note: i switched "want to have sex with" and "want to date" because I don't get into relationships for the sex. I'm looking for a wife and I'm a Christian, so no sex until marriage.]

Amen bro :)

Well after reading through the ladder thing.

"You're like a big teddy bear"
"I feel like I can talk to you about anything"
"You're so nice"

with the amount of times I've heard these stupid bloody remarks. $1 a time and I'd be flippin rich.

Don't knock it,darkness.It's a bit like oxygen,it only reall seems to matter when you aren't getting enough.

Originally posted by Spec2 Girl
Speaking from a females perspective, we get tired of the jerks after a while. I went through a phase of being attracted to and going out with them, but grew out of it eventually. Nice guys are so much better all round. :) Exactly, I know from experience. I've been dumped by some chicks that are young and fresh :D and they haven't had the jerks yet, so they get rid of the nice guy and go out for the wild assholes. The gurl I'm with now has told me some about some of her ex's and they've lied to her, cheated on her, never bought her anything. And now she's with me, been a year and a half and she gets treated like a princess now. You just have to wait and find the girls that have been through shit and want something better now.....

Originally posted by taranaki
Don't knock it,darkness.It's a bit like oxygen,it only reall seems to matter when you aren't getting enough.

yeah well I've just about had a guts full.

Originally posted by darkness


yeah well I've just about had a guts full.

you and me both,friend,there must be some kind of happy medium somewhere.Time I took a deep breath and went looking for it.

I have been avoiding this thread like the plague because it is too true and the truth hurts.
:(

Originally posted by tazdev
I have been avoiding this thread like the plague because it is too true and the truth hurts.
:(

Avoiding the truth can be just as painful.Sometimes it's best just to take the facts as they are and deal with it as best you can.

Just remember this simple phrase

Money can't buy you love, but it can rent you a very close imitation

Originally posted by taranaki


Avoiding the truth can be just as painful.Sometimes it's best just to take the facts as they are and deal with it as best you can.

or taking your frustrations out on a poor white belt at karate training.

Ozs rating for this thread so far 9/10. The only thing it needs to be the best OT thread in recent memory is more female input. Some good sentiments guys. :sun:

Originally posted by Oz
more female input. watch your mouth :finger:

some threads are just better without the female input ;)

Women what are they?? Seriously the key is not to be nice to them its to ignore them...and the best part is they'll think you're a great listener!

Originally posted by racingbreed20
Women what are they?? Seriously the key is not to be nice to them its to ignore them...and the best part is they'll think you're a great listener!

:lol2:

Remember, woman don't want advice, they want someone to sit there, drink the beer they bring them and nod like they're listening occasionally.

Originally posted by Oz


:lol2:

Remember, woman don't want advice, they want someone to sit there, drink the beer they bring them and nod like they're listening occasionally.



Hey!!!!! I saw that!!! :bloated:

I've dated my fair share of morons, idiots, liars, and con-artists. Did I go after them for that reason? No. Trust me, they kept all that loveliness hidden. Problem is, as a female, I DO have many guy friends. They are so much more reasonable than most women. Are some of them attractive?? YES. Would I date all of them? NO, and it's because I like having them as just friends, and it is VERY hard to fix a friendship after a romance. They *should* know that I am just friends with them b/c they always hear me talking about my other male friends as such.

I'm rambling b/c it's time for me to get the last 4 hours of sleep I missed out on last night. I'll fix this post up later.

Originally posted by saturntangerine
I've dated my fair share of morons, idiots, liars, and con-artists. Did I go after them for that reason? No. Trust me, they kept all that loveliness hidden. Problem is, as a female, I DO have many guy friends. They are so much more reasonable than most women. Are some of them attractive?? YES. Would I date all of them? NO, and it's because I like having them as just friends, and it is VERY hard to fix a friendship after a romance. They *should* know that I am just friends with them b/c they always hear me talking about my other male friends as such.Perfect illustration of Ladder Theory. ;)

I bet they have no idea.... :o